Valves with red/green open indicator?
Valves with red/green open indicator?
What do the DIR Gods have to say about valves which have the red and green tabs which show whether the valve is opened or closed?
http://www.malibudivers.com/images/XS_S ... dWheel.jpg
http://www.malibudivers.com/images/XS_S ... dWheel.jpg
Re: Valves with red/green open indicator?
Unnecessary failure point?
...I like going to the chamber.. They have great food there, and awsome live music "H20doctor"
Check out the VIDEOS!
Check out the VIDEOS!
Re: Valves with red/green open indicator?
Who cares.....
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using Tapatalk
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using Tapatalk
-Ron T.
"When I'm 80 I'll take up real diving, which is done in a pub..." Ray Ives.
253-227-0856
My Dive Pics...
https://www.facebook.com/RETOPPPHOTOGRAPHY
"When I'm 80 I'll take up real diving, which is done in a pub..." Ray Ives.
253-227-0856
My Dive Pics...
https://www.facebook.com/RETOPPPHOTOGRAPHY
Re: Valves with red/green open indicator?
He wants a ligit answer... Be nice , Dave is my friend... I would think that the tank doesnt matter its more about have the same gear config, Hope that helps Dave..
NWDC Rule #2 Pictures Or it didn't Happen
Re: Valves with red/green open indicator?
Far from being the official DIR "word" but I would save my money if I were you. It's not needed, and in general, the DIR philosophy on stuff like that is, "if you don't need it, don't bring it."
The potential for getting used to trusting that little indicator, vs. a proper pre-dive flow check is too high. I would also worry about it breaking and jamming the valve. Maybe it's not a real concern, I haven't looked at those too close.
Breathe your regs while watching the SPG to see if it dips before splashing. This serves the same purpose, and is far more reliable.
Come diving with the Doc and I on Monday and I'll show you what I mean by the low check.
Jake
The potential for getting used to trusting that little indicator, vs. a proper pre-dive flow check is too high. I would also worry about it breaking and jamming the valve. Maybe it's not a real concern, I haven't looked at those too close.
Breathe your regs while watching the SPG to see if it dips before splashing. This serves the same purpose, and is far more reliable.
Come diving with the Doc and I on Monday and I'll show you what I mean by the low check.
Jake
"Screw "annual" service,... I get them serviced when they break." - CaptnJack (paraphrased)
"you do realize you're supposed to mix the with water and drink it, not snort the powder directly from the packet, right? " - Spatman
"you do realize you're supposed to mix the with water and drink it, not snort the powder directly from the packet, right? " - Spatman
Re: Valves with red/green open indicator?
You need to be able to reach your own valves. If it rolls off, is partially open, or you splash off the boat with it completely off (happens). We don't rely on buddies or DMs to check red-green indicators. So, I would spend the time & energy learning to check your own (and potentially money if you suit is too constricting to reach).
Sounder wrote:Under normal circumstances, I would never tell another man how to shave his balls... but this device should not be kept secret.
- Joshua Smith
- I've Got Gills
- Posts: 10250
- Joined: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:32 pm
Re: Re: Valves with red/green open indicator?
I'm very much NOT dir, and I think these are silly.dscuba wrote:What do the DIR Gods have to say about valves which have the red and green tabs which show whether the valve is opened or closed?
http://www.malibudivers.com/images/XS_S ... dWheel.jpg
Maritime Documentation Society
"To venture into the terrible loneliness, one must have something greater than greed. Love. One needs love for life, for intrigue, for mystery."
"To venture into the terrible loneliness, one must have something greater than greed. Love. One needs love for life, for intrigue, for mystery."
Re: Re: Valves with red/green open indicator?
All of the new Worthington cylinders have that valve installed. I'm pretty sure that it wont kill anyone........Joshua Smith wrote:I'm very much NOT dir, and I think these are silly.dscuba wrote:What do the DIR Gods have to say about valves which have the red and green tabs which show whether the valve is opened or closed?
http://www.malibudivers.com/images/XS_S ... dWheel.jpg
-Ron T.
"When I'm 80 I'll take up real diving, which is done in a pub..." Ray Ives.
253-227-0856
My Dive Pics...
https://www.facebook.com/RETOPPPHOTOGRAPHY
"When I'm 80 I'll take up real diving, which is done in a pub..." Ray Ives.
253-227-0856
My Dive Pics...
https://www.facebook.com/RETOPPPHOTOGRAPHY
- Joshua Smith
- I've Got Gills
- Posts: 10250
- Joined: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:32 pm
Re: Re: Re: Valves with red/green open indicator?
Probably not. But I still think its silly.cardiver wrote:All of the new Worthington cylinders have that valve installed. I'm pretty sure that it wont kill anyone........Joshua Smith wrote:I'm very much NOT dir, and I think these are silly.dscuba wrote:What do the DIR Gods have to say about valves which have the red and green tabs which show whether the valve is opened or closed?
http://www.malibudivers.com/images/XS_S ... dWheel.jpg
Maritime Documentation Society
"To venture into the terrible loneliness, one must have something greater than greed. Love. One needs love for life, for intrigue, for mystery."
"To venture into the terrible loneliness, one must have something greater than greed. Love. One needs love for life, for intrigue, for mystery."
Re: Valves with red/green open indicator?
Does anybody know exactly how these work? If they don't interfere with the normal operation of the valve and handle (as I suspect may be true) there wouldn't be a specific objection to them. In other words, there would be no reason to take them off the tanks, if the tanks came with them. As Richard observes, they would not be viewed as necessary or desirable, because it's an equipment solution to a procedure problem (failure to do routine checks).
I think their best use is on charter boats, and for instructors, to be able to do a quick visual check of clients or students and be sure that everyone has his valve open, without having to touch anyone's equipment.
I think their best use is on charter boats, and for instructors, to be able to do a quick visual check of clients or students and be sure that everyone has his valve open, without having to touch anyone's equipment.
"Sometimes, when your world is going sideways, the second best thing to everything working out right, is knowing you are loved..." ljjames
Re: Valves with red/green open indicator?
I agree they are potentially useful for charter boat who're checking noob valves. Otherwise they are just a superflluous crutch.
Sounder wrote:Under normal circumstances, I would never tell another man how to shave his balls... but this device should not be kept secret.
Re: Valves with red/green open indicator?
As far as how it works, All the parts are external it's a nut sleeve arrangement. (see attached).
From what I can tell, it's looking like XSScuba is moving towards these are their standard. You already have to pay an upcharge to get Thermo instead of these with steel tanks.
From what I can tell, it's looking like XSScuba is moving towards these are their standard. You already have to pay an upcharge to get Thermo instead of these with steel tanks.
- Attachments
-
- xs valve.pdf
- (320.85 KiB) Downloaded 200 times
Re: Valves with red/green open indicator?
The whole point of rubber knobs (instead of plastic or SS) is that if you crunch the valve on something and the stem bends, the knob still has the best chance of working. Having extra plastic bits in there to jam is silly. Maybe not such a big deal with a single tank but definitely foolish for manifolds and overheads.
Sounder wrote:Under normal circumstances, I would never tell another man how to shave his balls... but this device should not be kept secret.
Re: Valves with red/green open indicator?
Ok, so what if it turns out to be cheaper to get the valves with the red/green indicator as opposed to without them? Does the "save your money" argument still apply? I originally asked because I was told they were the exact same price, so it didn't make any monitary difference to get them or not. Now I'm being told it's actually $20 to get the valves without the green/red stuff.
Re: Valves with red/green open indicator?
On a single tank I'd just dive them until I had to overhaul the valve. Then I'd probably just leave the red-green parts off cause I'm lazy and don't see the value.
Sounder wrote:Under normal circumstances, I would never tell another man how to shave his balls... but this device should not be kept secret.
-
- Dive-aholic
- Posts: 287
- Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:00 pm
Re: Valves with red/green open indicator?
See rule 6
Scott
Scott
Re: Valves with red/green open indicator?
vbcoachchris wrote:See rule 6
Scott
GUE Seattle - The official GUE Affiliate in the Northwest!