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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby john gearhart II » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:43 pm

I get good fills from evergreen and I used awesome fills for crabbing from Austin at light house but he has gone to Florida for school with the navy

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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby CaptnJack » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:50 pm

Well we have only very very rarely had a contamination issue here (generally colder weather helps). I'd be way more concerned about FL, MX and other tropical fill stations. That said, ask to see their latest analysis, then use your own O2 and CO analyzer on every tank.

Or buy your own fill station and know exactly when you last changed the filters and oil
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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby H20doctor » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:21 pm

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H20doctor wrote: Any way sorry to hear about the Nitrox issue , seems pretty silly as there is No agency to monitor or set standards for dive shops , and How they run Nitrox systems ...


What do you mean? The compressed gas association sets standards for breathing gas which have been adopted by reference by basically every nitrox agency
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http://www.airsystems.com/Reference/CGA ... ations.pdf

i mean there arnt scuba police going to dive shops and inspecting fill stations , there is no dedicated agency to go to shops and do full inspections and take air samples
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A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby GearHead » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:14 pm

It's always nice to come back with plenty of gas. That means you had a decent reserve if stuff hit the fan.
Given that many dives in Puget Sound are a bit more challenging than falling off the back of a boat into 80 degree water with 80 ft of vis, it makes sense to leave a bit more in reserve. Maybe not always 1/3rd of starting pressure, but certainly enough to have gotten you and a buddy to the surface safely. I've seen people end a dive at Muk with 300 or 400 psi left, thinking it's no big deal. Maybe so, but maybe not if something had happened.
Shops that give me good fills will continue to get my business, one that don't will not see me as often.


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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby Echo » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:22 am

Grateful Diver wrote:Wally: Hey Bob ... how much gas do you usually come back with at the end of a dive?

Me: Oh, maybe 1000-1200 psi.

Wally: Then what the f**k are you complaining about?


This is why I never complain about slight under fills. I literally won't use the gas anyway.
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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby Echo » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:15 am

Funny everyone gets under filled at shops. I was having issues with getting over filled. To the point that my tanks burst disks had to be replaced. I got a bit cranky about it and instead of 700# over fills, they've at least been consistent with just a 2-300# over fill.
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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby CaptnJack » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:15 am

H20doctor wrote: Any way sorry to hear about the Nitrox issue , seems pretty silly as there is No agency to monitor or set standards for dive shops , and How they run Nitrox systems ...


What do you mean? The compressed gas association sets standards for breathing gas which have been adopted by reference by basically every nitrox agency
A handy reference sheet
http://www.airsystems.com/Reference/CGA ... ations.pdf

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If you believe Arly Buchanan at Tacoma LH there is an agency, PSI-PCI. He started this as a result of a refresher course at DEMA when my NITROX tanks were sent there due to the compressor being out of commission waiting for filters.

I think Frank may be good for the shop, but he's not Tim. Right now he's caught in this NITROX mess himself. He takes awhile to warm up.


PSI sets standards for the tanks and tank cleanliness. They do not address anything up stream of the tank valve.
eg
http://www.psicylinders.com/inspectors/ ... dards-2005
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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby johndo88 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:51 pm

Halcyon, I think.

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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby H20doctor » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:47 pm

johndo88 wrote:Regarding Doug at UWS Bellevue: Sure, he gets all the credit, but we all know it's Mary Winn who really does the work. :)
Okay, seriously, I get great fills from all three people there at Bellevue.

I saw your doubles last week at Bellevue Underwater Sports what kind of manifold are you running on those?
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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby fmerkel » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:31 pm

H20doctor wrote:
fmerkel wrote:For years, literally years I've had great results from Lake City Lighthouse. But, it all depends on WHO is filling the tanks. They have a new manager, seems like a good guy, so we'll see. Right now, I'm checking again.


fritz , i saw your post over on scuba Board .. quite the headache .. seems the seattle store has had 2 major Issues with the compressor and have switched the system 2x now .. the last stint was due to filters being used up and the systems shuts down after so many Hrs running..
Now Tim is Gone , which really sucks , cause i love Tim and He is such a cool Guy and great store employee ... The new Guy Harry Hired , some dive instructor / course Director has been rubbing me the wrong way also when he talks ..
Any way sorry to hear about the Nitrox issue , seems pretty silly as there is No agency to monitor or set standards for dive shops , and How they run Nitrox systems ...


If you believe Arly Buchanan at Tacoma LH there is an agency, PSI-PCI. He started this as a result of a refresher course at DEMA when my NITROX tanks were sent there due to the compressor being out of commission waiting for filters.

I think Frank may be good for the shop, but he's not Tim. Right now he's caught in this NITROX mess himself. He takes awhile to warm up.
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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby johndo88 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:37 pm

Regarding Doug at UWS Bellevue: Sure, he gets all the credit, but we all know it's Mary Winn who really does the work. :)
Okay, seriously, I get great fills from all three people there at Bellevue.

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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby Jeff Pack » Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:04 am

Yes, having your own compressor is the trick pony, and a booster for tri mix.
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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby Desert Diver » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:11 pm

I love my toy compressor

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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby H20doctor » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:20 pm

fmerkel wrote:For years, literally years I've had great results from Lake City Lighthouse. But, it all depends on WHO is filling the tanks. They have a new manager, seems like a good guy, so we'll see. Right now, I'm checking again.


fritz , i saw your post over on scuba Board .. quite the headache .. seems the seattle store has had 2 major Issues with the compressor and have switched the system 2x now .. the last stint was due to filters being used up and the systems shuts down after so many Hrs running..
Now Tim is Gone , which really sucks , cause i love Tim and He is such a cool Guy and great store employee ... The new Guy Harry Hired , some dive instructor / course Director has been rubbing me the wrong way also when he talks ..
Any way sorry to hear about the Nitrox issue , seems pretty silly as there is No agency to monitor or set standards for dive shops , and How they run Nitrox systems ...
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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby fmerkel » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:43 pm

For years, literally years I've had great results from Lake City Lighthouse. But, it all depends on WHO is filling the tanks. They have a new manager, seems like a good guy, so we'll see. Right now, I'm checking again.
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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby theonly_JT » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:57 pm

Agreed with ScubaJess and YellowEye! Doug at UWsports in Bellevue always gives me great fills. I've never had a problem or gotten shorted. Highly recommended if your on the Eastside.
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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby bschnabel » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:51 pm

Tacoma Scuba and TLSea have been good to me. If short they will always go top off no questions asked.

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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby Jeff Pack » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:31 am

I miss Wally, he was a trip. The most ADD person I've ever met. But he never sugar coated, just the facts.

As per fills, if you expect the max fill, you have to give the shop time to fill, cool, and fill again (thats what tacoma does). AS I recall, pretty sure Josh lets tanks sit at least 12 hours to cool after first fill.
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- I don't know about you but I'm not into swallowing it

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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby Grateful Diver » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:40 am

... or just do like I do and get bigger tanks ... :)

Funny story from back when Wally was a partner at Tacoma Scuba (my shop of choice for many excellent reasons). Those of you who knew Wally will get the humor.

I've had an arrangement with the shop for monthly fills since they were first opened about 12 years ago. And one day I'm in the shop picking up some tanks and noticed a pattern ... so I decided to speak up.

Me: Hey Wally ... how come all my LP tanks are coming back with fantastic fills, but all my HP tanks are coming back 200-300 psi short?

Wally: Hey Bob ... how much gas do you usually come back with at the end of a dive?

Me: Oh, maybe 1000-1200 psi.

Wally: Then what the f**k are you complaining about?

... I loved that guy ... he had such a way of getting right to the point ...

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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby H20doctor » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:31 am

YellowEye wrote:
H20doctor wrote:i dont think there is a shop in the puget sound that can fill a tank...


+1 Doug


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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby YellowEye » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:24 am

H20doctor wrote:i dont think there is a shop in the puget sound that can fill a tank...


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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby H20doctor » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:04 am

i always get craptastic fills... i dont think there is a shop in the puget sound that can fill a tank... and Evergreen is the worst shop for a fill , I avoid them..
i suggest if you want a good fill , then bring a gauge and babysit them.. the more you ride them and vocalize it in the shop , the more they will get the point ..
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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby doubtingGunnel » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:56 pm

" I never mention anything on the board because I don't want a lesson in liability and "higher fills shorten the life of the tank" rhetoric. "

You've made me a bit paranoid now. To be absolutely clear: I am not suggesting that my tanks be overfilled or filled quickly. I do expect my tanks to filled to their rated operating pressure at ambient temperature. I realize that my require a top off after sits overnight, but that little effort is greatly appreciated and will get me into the shop on a consistent basis.

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Re: A good fill in the Seattle area?

Postby Scubie Doo » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:13 pm

doubtingGunnel wrote:Thank you all for the recommendations.

mpenders wrote:If short fills are becoming a consistent problem, start checking your tanks with a pressure checker before accepting them. Point out any short fills and ask that they be remedied before you pay for them. I generally check any tank I don't fill myself as a standard practice before I leave the shop.

It's a good way to ensure that you're not disappointed when you gear up at your dive site. It should also send a message to the shop that you haven't been satisfied with recent fills, or at least provide an opening for you to start a dialogue regarding the issue while you wait for them to top off your tanks.


For my regular shop, I already do this most of the time. I carry my own pressure checker. I have been exceedingly communicative as well as patient and try to be both direct and courteous about the short fills. I also try to set expectations, such as "No rush on this fill, I would greatly appreciate a nice cold fill". I'm trying to be as patient as a can, but it stings when they mark off two fills on my card every time and I'm starting to dread the constant babysitting I have do over this situation.

I'll probably continue the feedback process with my current shop, as all of the suggestions are great but pretty far off for me. Maybe I'll put my gas blending cert to use and consider getting a compressor and booster. I know they are not cost effective, but it would be nice not to have this high-maintenance chore of babysitting my fills.

Edit: Although, I'll definitely try Bellevue since its near my work and see how that goes.


Amen! I constantly get crap fills from ______, you name it. I have tried 3-4 shops. Honestly, I don't think they give a rip. Every time I take in a LP95 with a plus rating, I have to get out the whiteboard for a quick math lesson. Super frustrating. I just started modifying my dives to accommodate short fills. I am tired of checking, teaching, babysitting, etc. I will say that I can get good fills from certain individuals, but if they are not at the shop, another short fill. I never mention anything on the board because I don't want a lesson in liability and "higher fills shorten the life of the tank" rhetoric.

Wow, that felt good. Thanks for the thread :-)


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