Cove 2 Shower?

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Cove 2 Shower?

Post by RVbldr » Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:53 am

Anyone know the story on the Cove 2 shower? Per one of the local fishermen, we were told that due to chlorinated freshwater dumping to the saltwater, the EPA shut down the shower. Any truth on that one? Seems kind of strange with the superfund site nearby! :angry:

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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by finnegankp » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:53 am

Definitely not the case. I was out there no more than 2 weeks ago and the shower was turned on and functioning perfectly. I will be out there this weekend as well and will report back once I get more info.
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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by RVbldr » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:24 am

This was as of this morning. Couple weeks ago it was fine. This is a new change.

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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by Jeff Pack » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:52 am

More water from washing cars with chlorinated water gets into there, than from that shower...
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- I got a good squirt in my mouth
- I would imagine that there would be a large amount of involuntary gagging
- I don't know about you but I'm not into swallowing it

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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by fnerg » Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:04 pm

It was on Tuesday night.

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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by mheyns » Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:23 pm

Was definitely off, and seemingly DISCONNECTED this morning.

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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by CaptnJack » Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:26 pm

I will pursue this, give me a bit. It might take awhile to get an answer from public affairs.
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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by LowDrag » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:50 am

RVbldr wrote:Anyone know the story on the Cove 2 shower? Per one of the local fishermen, we were told that due to chlorinated freshwater dumping to the saltwater, the EPA shut down the shower. Any truth on that one? Seems kind of strange with the superfund site nearby! :angry:


What is the "superfund site", I have not heard of that one yet?

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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by fmerkel » Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:36 am

Read 'em and quake.
http://www.epa.gov/superfund/sites/npl/nar1622.htm
http://yosemite.epa.gov/R10/CLEANUP.NSF ... s+&+Photos
And people eat seafood from Elliot and Commencement Bay!

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Note-The shower is courtesy of Jack Connick (Optical Oceans) working with Kathy Whitman (Aquatics Manager, Parks) on the Cove 2 boundary system. This was an 'upgrade' specifically for divers.
There is a significant history many folks no longer know about when the now ubiquitous Water Taxi first move in to Cove 2 and shut it down for the dive community. It took a lot of work to open it back up and continued work to keep it functional and safe.
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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by fmerkel » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:22 am

Shower turned off.jpg
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I called Carol Baker-she is Dist. Maint. Super for Parks. The cited Federal clean water act does not allow chlorinated water to be discharged directly into the Sound as trivial as this amount is. It's being mandated across all of Parks activities where this could be happening.
She 'gets it' but Parks has been cited by the Feds and this is above her head. Kathy Whitman is also aware of it. They are trying to find a solution that allows the shower to function and still follow the law.
I've given her my name and asked if there is someone else 'higher up' to try to engage for this problem.
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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by dwashbur » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:23 am

I suppose that means the showers at Redondo are doomed, as well?
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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by Grateful Diver » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:57 am

The solution is simple ... have the shower drain into a pipe that runs into the nearby sewer system. The water will then not drain directly into Puget Sound ... it will be mixed with the 14 million gallons of polluted stormwater runoff and 9 million pounds of dog poop that gets dumped directly into Puget Sound every year.

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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by fmerkel » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:38 am

Bob-don't you work for water treatment or some such?
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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by Grateful Diver » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:15 am

fmerkel wrote:Bob-don't you work for water treatment or some such?


City of Tacoma, Environmental Services ... wastewater treatment

Unlike Seattle, our stormwater facilities are separate from wastewater

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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by fmerkel » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:31 am

Does that mean Tacoma is (gasp) ahead of Seattle in water treatment!?

Just talked to Kathy Whitman (Parks). She reinforced that this mandate came from the Feds. Parks also tried to argue that it didn't make a lot of sense but was shut down. Seems there is no compromise on this issue.The man who is potentially responsible for coming up with a workable solution is on administrative sick leave right now, so she does not anticipate being able to address this for a couple weeks at least.

FWIW, this mandate also applies to things like fireman opening hydrants that drain directly into storm water, and kiddie pools when they change the water. This is a pretty trivial amount of water as I see it. The fireman have to lay down anti-chlorination tablets in the water path (they get some slack for being an emergency service). The kiddie pools have to be shut down, treated for chlorine, then drained. There are other areas (pressure washing, etc.) that are needing to be addressed over this issue.

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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by Desert Diver » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:28 pm

Grateful Diver wrote:The solution is simple ... have the shower drain into a pipe that runs into the nearby sewer system. The water will then not drain directly into Puget Sound ... it will be mixed with the 14 million gallons of polluted stormwater runoff and 9 million pounds of dog poop that gets dumped directly into Puget Sound every year.

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I, for one, would feel a lot better about doing it this way. But then I'm sooooooo green.

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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by Grateful Diver » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:11 pm

I for one feel a lot better bringing my own rinse water in a couple gallon jugs ...

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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by fmerkel » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:19 pm

Grateful Diver wrote:I for one feel a lot better bringing my own rinse water in a couple gallon jugs ...

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As long as you aren't standing near the water when you rinse.... :penelope:
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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by RVbldr » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:34 pm

Need to let it hit the parking lot and wash down all the oils and rubber before finding it's way into C2. Jeeze... Maybe those showers are the root cause for the sunstar die-off. :eek: (no, I'm not serious!)

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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by Jeff Pack » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:23 pm

Just dont pee in the shower :)
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- I got a good squirt in my mouth
- I would imagine that there would be a large amount of involuntary gagging
- I don't know about you but I'm not into swallowing it

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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by mpenders » Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:08 am

dwashbur wrote:I suppose that means the showers at Redondo are doomed, as well?


And the fresh water rinse stations for boats/engines at launch ramps? All that water seems to head directly to the sound as well. For that matter, all fresh water faucets at any of our local docks and marinas, right? Lots of boats moored in Puget Sound that are washed regularly with fresh (chlorinated, I'm guessing) water.

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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by DiveZen » Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:07 am

fmerkel wrote:
Just talked to Kathy Whitman (Parks). She reinforced that this mandate came from the Feds. Parks also tried to argue that it didn't make a lot of sense but was shut down. Seems there is no compromise on this issue.The man who is potentially responsible for coming up with a workable solution is on administrative sick leave right now, so she does not anticipate being able to address this for a couple weeks at least.

Fritz


As opposed to me pinging Cathy or Kathy, I wonder if you can get the name of the federal representative that is mandating these "useful" changes to our water quality? Seems like we could also make our opinion heard to his or her management.

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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by fmerkel » Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:02 am

I requested that info. If I find out I'll let folks know.
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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by Tom Nic » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:35 am

fmerkel wrote:Just talked to Kathy Whitman (Parks). She reinforced that this mandate came from the Feds. Parks also tried to argue that it didn't make a lot of sense but was shut down.

Fritz


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Re: Cove 2 Shower?

Post by Scuba Scott » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:50 am

Just don't mention any marina and water use by boat owners. I would hate not being able to hose down my boat after a day on the water. I also wonder how the park services or a marina will wash bird crap off the docks?
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