Lobster in Puget sound?

Fish & Invertebrate sightings and descriptions, hosted by resident NWDC ID expert Janna Nichols (nwscubamom).
User avatar
Sounder
I've Got Gills
Posts: 7231
Joined: Wed May 24, 2006 2:39 pm

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by Sounder » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:24 pm

I'm in the "remove it" camp too... eat at your own risk.

Invasive species start with just a couple, and no doubt if this one is being released there may have been others, or will be in the future. Nobody knows how it will affect the ecosystem, but we HAVE already seen what other invasive species can do.
GUE Seattle - The official GUE Affiliate in the Northwest!

User avatar
Pez7378
I've Got Gills
Posts: 3256
Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:09 am

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by Pez7378 » Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:03 am

I tried to get it for you Spatman! Apparently the mere sight of a dead crab wasn't enough to lure it out of hiding. I'm sure we all know that sooner or later "something" is gonna eat that BUG.

User avatar
60south
Perma Narc'd
Posts: 712
Joined: Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:24 pm

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by 60south » Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:57 am

dwashbur wrote:Arguments from silence always cut both ways. How do you know there is another one? How do you know it does have eggs, or a disease or parasite? We don't. IIRC, the lionfish problem on the east coast was actually the result of a hurricane that swept a large number of them into a new area. I seriously doubt that's the case here. Why not study the situation for a while and find out what's really going on before overreacting?


You're messing with the health of Puget Sound, the ecosystem, shellfish industry, etc, etc. If you want to introduce a new species into the ecosystem you should thoroughly study the impacts first, not blindly do it and then wait until something goes wrong and say "OOPS!".

Haven't we learned anything?

User avatar
dwashbur
I've Got Gills
Posts: 2825
Joined: Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:33 pm

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by dwashbur » Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:49 am

60south wrote:All joking aside, how do you know there isn't another one out there? How do you know it doesn't already have eggs? How do you know it doesn't have a disease or parasite? This is how disasters like the lionfish invasion on the east coast started. The first one is "Oh, isn't that cute! Let's let it live!" And suddenly there's millions of them causing havoc.

Kill the bug!
Kill the bug!
Kill the bug!


Arguments from silence always cut both ways. How do you know there is another one? How do you know it does have eggs, or a disease or parasite? We don't. IIRC, the lionfish problem on the east coast was actually the result of a hurricane that swept a large number of them into a new area. I seriously doubt that's the case here. Why not study the situation for a while and find out what's really going on before overreacting?
Dave

"Clearly, you weren't listening to what I'm about to say."
--
Check out my Internet show:
http://www.irvingszoo.com

User avatar
60south
Perma Narc'd
Posts: 712
Joined: Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:24 pm

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by 60south » Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:31 am

All joking aside, how do you know there isn't another one out there? How do you know it doesn't already have eggs? How do you know it doesn't have a disease or parasite? This is how disasters like the lionfish invasion on the east coast started. The first one is "Oh, isn't that cute! Let's let it live!" And suddenly there's millions of them causing havoc.

Kill the bug!
Kill the bug!
Kill the bug!

User avatar
spatman
I've Got Gills
Posts: 10881
Joined: Wed May 30, 2007 7:06 am

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by spatman » Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:20 am

Pez7378 wrote:All joking aside, I want it to live there for a long time, but I think dphershman is right. It's Octo food! Maybe Jan K can draw up a cartoon with the GPO wearing a checkered bib holding a knife and fork!


in hindsight, it should have been spatman food!
Image

User avatar
Pez7378
I've Got Gills
Posts: 3256
Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:09 am

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by Pez7378 » Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:10 am

All joking aside, I want it to live there for a long time, but I think dphershman is right. It's Octo food! Maybe Jan K can draw up a cartoon with the GPO wearing a checkered bib holding a knife and fork!

User avatar
dwashbur
I've Got Gills
Posts: 2825
Joined: Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:33 pm

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by dwashbur » Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:51 am

I have difficulty with the idea that one animal constitutes an invasive species. If in fact it's a single that someone turned loose, it's not going to do any harm. On the other hand, if somebody insists on making a meal out of it, wait until I get there!

Seriously, if there's just the one, I vote for leaving it alone so we can all enjoy seeing it. Where at Redondo was it?
Dave

"Clearly, you weren't listening to what I'm about to say."
--
Check out my Internet show:
http://www.irvingszoo.com

User avatar
divergirl07
Avid Diver
Posts: 55
Joined: Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:03 pm

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by divergirl07 » Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:16 am

Hey- Im out of town on vacation! Can y'all wait till next week to kill & eat it so I can have a chance to see it when I get home??!!!! I would rather have Dungeness also - so I promise not to steal it !!
"Life is short.......... I want it all ...NOW!!"

User avatar
60south
Perma Narc'd
Posts: 712
Joined: Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:24 pm

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by 60south » Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:52 am

Just because you only see one doesn't mean that's all there is.

My dear children, I'm not going to lecture you on much damage could be done by something like this. If you don't catch, kill, and eat that critter -- with lots of butter, a side of coleslaw and an IPA -- I will. It will have an urgent and tasty demise.
:occasion5:

User avatar
Tom Nic
I've Got Gills
Posts: 9310
Joined: Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:26 pm

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by Tom Nic » Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:27 am

Hmmm.... could we put a leash on it and keep it? Huh, Huh, can we, can we? :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: It could be the Redondo Pet Lobster and grow to a size that could give nightmares to small children! :bounce:

Also, I'll second the recommend on "Secret Life of Lobsters". A great read...
More Pics Than You Have Time To Look AT
"Anyone who thinks this place is over moderated is bat-crazy anarchist." -Ben, Airsix
"Warning: No dive masters are going to be there, Just a bunch of old fat guys taking pictures of fish." -Bassman

User avatar
spatman
I've Got Gills
Posts: 10881
Joined: Wed May 30, 2007 7:06 am

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by spatman » Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:48 am

Maverick wrote:Eat it, and enjoy it, and when your done laugh about how cheap the meal was. :supz: although i would have to say if you put a Dungy crab in from of me and a Lobster i would eat the Crab hands down without even thinking. :dontknow:


then we'd make a good team, mav, because i'd be grabbing that lobster!
Image

User avatar
Maverick
I've Got Gills
Posts: 2512
Joined: Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:57 pm

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by Maverick » Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:12 am

Eat it, and enjoy it, and when your done laugh about how cheap the meal was. :supz: although i would have to say if you put a Dungy crab in from of me and a Lobster i would eat the Crab hands down without even thinking. :dontknow:
Maverick

Diving. . . is an active physical form of meditation. It is so silent- You're like a thought.

SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR
ANYTHING, BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE
STAIRS.

User avatar
dphershman
Aquanaut
Posts: 692
Joined: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:42 am

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by dphershman » Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:46 am

I don't think one lobster constitutes an invasive species-- I for one think it would be cool to leave this fellow alone to entertain everyone for awhile. Lobster live a long time! (although I have a feeling that the GPO not to far from him may have something to say about it too).
Dan Hershman :smt024

User avatar
spatman
I've Got Gills
Posts: 10881
Joined: Wed May 30, 2007 7:06 am

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by spatman » Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:22 pm

60south wrote:Two words: Invasive Species.


Tasty DInner.
Image

User avatar
Pez7378
I've Got Gills
Posts: 3256
Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:09 am

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by Pez7378 » Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:12 pm

60south wrote:Two words: Invasive Species.


(Sorry to be a killjoy.)


Somebody had to say it. Steding is heading up the Invasive Species removal team as we speak......Dinner at Dougs place!

User avatar
60south
Perma Narc'd
Posts: 712
Joined: Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:24 pm

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by 60south » Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:09 pm

Two words: Invasive Species.


(Sorry to be a killjoy.)

User avatar
spatman
I've Got Gills
Posts: 10881
Joined: Wed May 30, 2007 7:06 am

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by spatman » Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:54 pm

this is the only one that came out ok...

CIMG2093.JPG
Image

User avatar
Pez7378
I've Got Gills
Posts: 3256
Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:09 am

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by Pez7378 » Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:52 pm

Looked like a rather healthy bug to me. I couldn't frigging believe my eyes. I waved Matt over to take a pic while Joe and I rubbed our tummies. On one hand I thought nobody would believe us, on the other hand I thought, why wouldn't they? After all we were diving at Redondo. Let's see those pics Matt!

User avatar
spatman
I've Got Gills
Posts: 10881
Joined: Wed May 30, 2007 7:06 am

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by spatman » Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:47 pm

Sockmonkey wrote: I couldn't get a read on if it looked MA legal... but I would guess it to be around a pound.


i think that lobster was probably two pounds, maybe more... it looked about 14-15" long...
Image

User avatar
Kalatin
Dive-aholic
Posts: 218
Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:55 pm

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by Kalatin » Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:09 pm

Evidently our new friend is not the only Maine native who has relocated to the Puget Sound. There was one found in 1999 by Everett. .
http://www.peter.unmack.net/archive/acn ... /0007.html
"Another marathon, rush hour trek to foolishly compress myself and risk bodily harm and/or death to look at fishies!!! I love it!" - Casey B.
"The circle of life is a bitch when you're hungry." - Sockmonkey

User avatar
Sockmonkey
I've Got Gills
Posts: 1467
Joined: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:43 am

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by Sockmonkey » Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:00 pm

dsteding wrote:
Sockmonkey wrote:
Penopolypants wrote:Spatman, Pez, Fishstiq, Sheri, Scottsax, and myself saw it as well. Deliciously comfy is a good way to describe him.

It made an awesome dive at Redondo that much better. W00t!


Hopefully no one goes out there and snags the poor lost bug :(

-Eric


I actually still say eat it. Who knows if he/she is gonna find a mate . . .


So you're saying without someone to mate with... there's no point living? ;)

Hmmm if it has a good enough food source it could grow to be pretty huge... and provide entertainment for countless scuba type people. I couldn't get a read on if it looked MA legal... but I would guess it to be around a pound.

Lobsters are migratory... who the heck knows what it'll do if it thinks it wants to go on walkabout. I highly recommend The Secret Life of Lobsters if you're into the marine life thing. Best of all it describes lobster sex in great depth (I kill me).

-Eric
"I used to do this for fun, but now, I do it for nothing" -Not Joshua Smith

:eric: Hawaiian Seamonkey Blog

dsteding
I've Got Gills
Posts: 1857
Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:50 pm

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by dsteding » Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:41 pm

Sockmonkey wrote:
Penopolypants wrote:Spatman, Pez, Fishstiq, Sheri, Scottsax, and myself saw it as well. Deliciously comfy is a good way to describe him.

It made an awesome dive at Redondo that much better. W00t!


Hopefully no one goes out there and snags the poor lost bug :(

-Eric


I actually still say eat it. Who knows if he/she is gonna find a mate . . .
Fishstiq wrote:
To clarify.........

I cannot stress enough that this is MY PROBLEM.

User avatar
Sockmonkey
I've Got Gills
Posts: 1467
Joined: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:43 am

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by Sockmonkey » Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:40 pm

Penopolypants wrote:Spatman, Pez, Fishstiq, Sheri, Scottsax, and myself saw it as well. Deliciously comfy is a good way to describe him.

It made an awesome dive at Redondo that much better. W00t!


Hopefully no one goes out there and snags the poor lost bug :(

-Eric
"I used to do this for fun, but now, I do it for nothing" -Not Joshua Smith

:eric: Hawaiian Seamonkey Blog

User avatar
Penopolypants
NWDC Moderator
NWDC Moderator
Posts: 3824
Joined: Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:37 pm

Re: Lobster in Puget sound?

Post by Penopolypants » Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:05 pm

Spatman, Pez, Fishstiq, Sheri, Scottsax, and myself saw it as well. Deliciously comfy is a good way to describe him.

It made an awesome dive at Redondo that much better. W00t!
Come to the nerd side, we have pi!

Post Reply