BP/W Q's...

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BP/W Q's...

Post by E_Mo » Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:35 pm

I am interested in changing from a BCD vest to a BP/W setup and was wondering if anyone was going to be at the Dive Around the Clock between 9:30PM and 1:00AM so I could look at their setup and get some info about BP/W's, as I know nothing about them.

Most of the shops I see around here (South King County/Kent area) mainly have all vest BCD's, anyone know any dive shops that have a good selection and are knowledgble about BP/W's (Maybe you should PM the shop name to me, so we don't start a debate about shops...)?

Does anyone know a good place online to find info?
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Re: BP/W Q's...

Post by LCF » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:13 pm

For on-line information, you can browse the Deep Sea Supply website, or Dive Gear Express (the latter has a lot of explanatory text on their pages; the former has some very useful videos). The equipment essay at gue.com is also good, although it's not just about backplates.

Tacoma Scuba is a Halcyon dealer and will have backplate setups to look at. Northwest Sports Divers has a Deep Sea Supply rig in the showroom. I believe at least the Seattle Underwater Sports store has some Hollis gear.

You should have come to the club dive -- I had the new diver I buddied up with walk around the parking lot and see what people were using for BCs. About three quarters of the divers had some type of backplate and wing!
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Re: BP/W Q's...

Post by E_Mo » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:21 pm

I really wanted to go to club dive, but had to work.

I may be opening another can of worms, is one brand of BP/W better than the other, or do they all of their postivies and negatives?
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Re: BP/W Q's...

Post by ljjames » Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:01 pm

They will all claim to be better for this reason or that reason :) the best would be to get a few of them (current-ish models, not 10 year old versions unless you're looking at purchasing used and then have at it) in your hands, and take a close look at the finish work etc... look at the wings and the quality of material/workmanship... talk to folks and see what they dive and why.. Sometimes it's price, sometimes its brand loyalty, sometimes its some part of the system that works with their plate, sometimes its part of the design of the wing (inflator length, position, shape of wing) etc....

most of all, if you can, take a few out and dive... LCF has offered, and I have another system that you can try if you have option to make it to one of our wednesday dives, cove 2, 7pm :) its a 30lb wing which is my warm water travel kit, so maybe a liiitle small for our neck of woods specially if you are in a full wetsuit and diving big steel tanks... (i often recommend the 40lb as its elliptical design makes it only marginally bigger than the 30lb and some folks like a little extra lift) but YMMV...
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Re: BP/W Q's...

Post by ktb » Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:12 pm

E_Mo wrote:I am interested in changing from a BCD vest to a BP/W setup and was wondering if anyone was going to be at the Dive Around the Clock between 9:30PM and 1:00AM so I could look at their setup and get some info about BP/W's, as I know nothing about them.

Most of the shops I see around here (South King County/Kent area) mainly have all vest BCD's, anyone know any dive shops that have a good selection and are knowledgble about BP/W's (Maybe you should PM the shop name to me, so we don't start a debate about shops...)?

Does anyone know a good place online to find info?


My hubby and I will be diving the 7 and 9 pm slots on Friday at DATC, so you're welcome to check out my BP/W set-up there. I'll be in a blue and black BARE drysuit . . . just ask around if you you don't see me.
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Re: BP/W Q's...

Post by WylerBear » Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:44 pm

I'll be at DATC for the entire 24 hours helping out at the comfort station & first aid station when I'm not diving. You're welcome to take a look at my gear.
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Post by renoun » Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:54 pm

You should also realize that for the most part BP/W rigs are made up out of interchangeable components although there are a few that have features that only work when like components are assembled. Generally you can use one brand wing with a different plate and a harness of choice. Makes it pretty easy to assemble used gear if that is your thing. Keep asking questions, we are here to help.
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Post by kdupreez » Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:22 am

I also have a few BP/W setups that you can borrow to dive.. Looks like you have a fair amount of people willing to help too :joshsmith:

So, If you are looking at using single tank setup, I have a Halcyon Cinch plate and harness with 30lb wing as well as a Hollis 34lb wing with plate and harness that you can look at diving.

Depending on your time frame for making a decision, I could meet you for a dive sometime and you can keep either setup for a few dives to try it out.

I'm out of town as of July 15th and will be back by end of the month..

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Re: BP/W Q's...

Post by Sounder » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:53 am

+1 I'll also be at DATC and, if timing were to work out, I have a few different ones you'd be welcome to dive. I'll gladly talk you through the "whats" but more importantly the "whys." Then we'll go diving.

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Re: BP/W Q's...

Post by Dashrynn » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:10 am

I'd like to add something about lift. Sometimes to much lift is bad, for example, a 50-60lb lift wing can be trouble for a S.T.D (single tank divers). Trying to get the air out can be a pain, and if you don't have gobs of weight (improper weighting) then most likely you will rocket to the surface. I've seen this one first hand, and just to witness it was pretty horrific.

If you are PERFECTLY weighted I would try a 30lb lift since, it appears you are diving trilaminate drysuit (uncompressed neoprene shrinks at depth obviously), Then try the 34 lb lift wing. You will find it's easier to exhaust the 30lb wing than the 34 (I'm very picky) at your 15ft stop. But there are several people who will disagree with lift needed, a good dive buddy of mine prefers a 35lb wing to his 30 lb halcyon.

But it all depends on how much lift you do need. Between tank depletion and drysuit complete failure(all that precious anti squeeze is gone) your wing should be enough to compensate (also you should be weighted so if you have a catastrophic failure you can swim it up).

You have A LOT of great divers nearby, and a wonderful board of helpful people. I would try to meet everyone of them and squeeze them dry of knowledge. Hope this helps!

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Post by Nwbrewer » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:14 am

That's a very thoughtful, intelligent answer. WTF did you do with the real Dashrynn?

Dashrynn wrote:I'd like to add something about lift. Sometimes to much lift is bad, for example, a 50-60lb lift wing can be trouble for a S.T.D (single tank divers). Trying to get the air out can be a pain, and if you don't have gobs of weight (improper weighting) then most likely you will rocket to the surface. I've seen this one first hand, and just to witness it was pretty horrific.

If you are PERFECTLY weighted I would try a 30lb lift since, it appears you are diving trilaminate drysuit (uncompressed neoprene shrinks at depth obviously), Then try the 34 lb lift wing. You will find it's easier to exhaust the 30lb wing than the 34 (I'm very picky) at your 15ft stop. But there are several people who will disagree with lift needed, a good dive buddy of mine prefers a 35lb wing to his 30 lb halcyon.

But it all depends on how much lift you do need. Between tank depletion and drysuit complete failure(all that precious anti squeeze is gone) your wing should be enough to compensate (also you should be weighted so if you have a catastrophic failure you can swim it up).

You have A LOT of great divers nearby, and a wonderful board of helpful people. I would try to meet everyone of them and squeeze them dry of knowledge. Hope this helps!
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Re: BP/W Q's...

Post by Sounder » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:18 am

Nwbrewer wrote:That's a very thoughtful, intelligent answer. WTF did you do with the real Dashrynn?


Seriously! This isn't funny... I'm kind of freaking out here.
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Re: BP/W Q's...

Post by spatman » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:42 am

our little Dash is all growed up.

or he copied and pasted it from somewhere else. lol.
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Post by selkie » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:45 am

Sounder wrote:
Nwbrewer wrote:That's a very thoughtful, intelligent answer. WTF did you do with the real Dashrynn?


Seriously! This isn't funny... I'm kind of freaking out here.


It must be the Florida sun. Maybe he has sun stroke? :eek:
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Post by Dashrynn » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:12 am

ROTFL could have been sun flares 0.o. I didn't copy and paste it (other than my internal memory unit). Maybe I consumed a burger with tiny brain fixing worms? Could possibly be true, since florida lacks true workers who give a crap.

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Post by Nwbrewer » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:57 am

Dashrynn wrote:ROTFL could have been sun flares 0.o. I didn't copy and paste it (other than my internal memory unit). Maybe I consumed a burger with tiny brain fixing worms? Could possibly be true, since florida lacks true workers who give a crap.


He is closer to the GUE mothership being in Florida....
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Post by Grateful Diver » Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:36 pm

Maybe he just misses us ...

I also have a couple different systems you're welcome to try out. I won't be at DATC ... I have classes on Friday, Saturday and Sunday this upcoming week-end.

... I also have a backplate and harness for sale right now ...

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Post by Joshua Smith » Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:17 pm

Dashrynn wrote:ROTFL could have been sun flares 0.o. I didn't copy and paste it (other than my internal memory unit). Maybe I consumed a burger with tiny brain fixing worms? Could possibly be true, since florida lacks true workers who give a crap.


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Post by Dashrynn » Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:39 pm

Joshua Smith wrote:
Dashrynn wrote:ROTFL could have been sun flares 0.o. I didn't copy and paste it (other than my internal memory unit). Maybe I consumed a burger with tiny brain fixing worms? Could possibly be true, since florida lacks true workers who give a crap.


No, that's really him, guys.


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Post by pensacoladiver » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:39 pm

TRUST ME folks... The Dash is still alive and kicking. I get to witness his shenanagins every weekend.

I gotta admit though, he is a good sport for tolerating the amount of crap I give him for said shenanagins.

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Post by Dashrynn » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:10 pm

pensacoladiver wrote:TRUST ME folks... The Dash is still alive and kicking. I get to witness his shenanagins every weekend.

I gotta admit though, he is a good sport for tolerating the amount of crap I give him for said shenanigans.


Yeah my SHENANIGANS are pretty amazing. Like the time I dropped the alpha flag in the water...ohhh wait that wasn't me :penelope: okay okay or the time I did a triple upside down spiral. Orrrrr the time I did a jig to get someones attention. or the time I freedived to scratch your head at your safety stop :taco: .

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Post by Sounder » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:49 pm

I don't even quite know what to say... other than, uh, I'll be in Florida in November and may want to dive. He really has grown up, hasn't he?! I'll admit, it brings a tear to my eye... but just one.
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Re: BP/W Q's...

Post by E_Mo » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:16 pm

Thanks so much for all of the great info and offers to share your equipment with me for demos, I'll defintely take as many of those offers I can get.

So far, based on my internet research I was looking at the Zeagle "deluxe" BP:
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It's a little fancier, but just watching other people, BP's look a little difficult to put on at times (mainly the shoulder straps), and I am not the most flexible of guys, so I like the quick disconnect buckles on the lower area of the shoulder straps.

I have no idea on a wing, I was looking at my current BC (SeaQuest QD Pro) and it has 60 pounds of lift... which seems a bit much for single tank diving. I don't usually use my BC at all once submerged, so it really only matters to me that it has enough lift to keep me on the surface as needed. My usually equipment includes:
-Single HP 100 (Sometimes a Single HP 80 instead)
-30 AL pony mounted to my main tank

I don't plan on doing tec or doubles, so mainly looking for something to work for what I dive now.

Since there are no weight pockets (that I can see at least) I presume a weight belt is needed with the BP/W setup, but the BP has a waist belt, so I am a little confused on how a weight belt or harness would work? I was considering the Sea Wolf setup:

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Anyone have any experience with either of these?
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Re: BP/W Q's...

Post by LCF » Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:42 am

You can easily use either a belt or a weight harness with a backplate/harness -- you either run the straps one on top of another, or stagger them up and down. I use a belt; my husband uses a DUI Weight & Trim, which is similar to your Seawolf setup.

All I can say about the fancy harness is that everyone I know who has spent the money for one, has gone to a standard harness eventually. You might save yourself some money by starting with the simple harness, having someone show you how to adjust it and get in and out of it, and then deciding if you need the bells and whistles. Most folks don't; if one is having problems getting in and out of the rig, it's most often because it is too tight.
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Post by lizard0924 » Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:53 am

LCF wrote:All I can say about the fancy harness is that everyone I know who has spent the money for one, has gone to a standard harness eventually. You might save yourself some money by starting with the simple harness, having someone show you how to adjust it and get in and out of it, and then deciding if you need the bells and whistles. Most folks don't; if one is having problems getting in and out of the rig, it's most often because it is too tight.


I agree. I have the most basic DSS harness set-up and love it. At first, I wanted all the bells and whistles, but held off to see how I would like the basic harness before going all blinged out. After diving it for two years, I really prefer the simplicity of my basic set-up. I agree with Lynn, if you have difficulty putting it on/taking it off, often times the harness is just adjusted too tight for your gear/body.

Another bonus of a simple harness is that you can easily change out the webbing as you please. I found the original webbing a bit too stiff, so I switched it out to a softer material (and it's purple...bonus...:)). Putting it on became easier, and it is also much more comfortable when I dive in a wetsuit.
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