I want an air-integrated computer, what do you think?

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Re: I want an air-integrated computer, what do you think?

Post by lizard0924 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:33 pm

Well, if dad is paying....Suunto D6i with the optional wireless transmitter. Love mine, and I wear it as a watch when I'm not diving. That makes me feel better about shelling out all that $$$.
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Re: I want an air-integrated computer, what do you think?

Post by Joshua Smith » Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:08 pm

jedidiver wrote:I don't know how hard to read your read your computer.It would seem it is not that big a deal,yet it is.


Well, don't try TOO hard to read my read my computer. And its only a big deal if you want to know how deep how deep you are, and how long how long you've been there.
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Re: I want an air-integrated computer, what do you think?

Post by Peter Guy » Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:30 pm

OP -- a few observations from a different POV:

a. You really do need to know some information while you are underwater -- Depth and Air Pressure are, in my opinion, the most important pieces of information with Time Underwater a close third -- seeing your "NDL Remaining" time is a distant fourth

b. IF you have the option, having all three of those pieces of information available for you to easily see is a very good idea. The easiest place to have that information be available is on your wrist.

c. Having a gauge or computer on your wrist that tells you depth and time (and NDL Remaining) is easy and, as scuba equipment goes, pretty inexpensive and simple. The problem, of course, comes with also having the same gauge give you your Air Pressure since IF it is going to be a wrist mounted gauge, it must have a transmitter. That causes several issues: Significantly increases the cost and it does increase the chance of failure.

BUT, since Air Pressure IS one of the most important pieces of information you need while underwater (especially as a new diver), having that information "at your fingertips" is really nice.

So, what to do? If "Santa" is really nice, go for a wrist mounted, air integrated, computer and know that it might fail at some point and you'll need to end your dive. It won't happen often, but it is a real issue.

OTOH, if "Santa" has a limit, get a good wrist mounted computer and an SPG which will be clipped off to your left side.

The one thing I'd ask Santa NOT to bring me is a console mounted, air integrated, computer because then you have all of the problems of dealing with an SPG with none of the benefits of having information readily available on your wrist.

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For the record -- I dive with an air integrated computer which is clipped off to my left side -- an air integrated computer that is wrist mounted AND a very nice (and expensive) computer which is also mounted on my wrist.

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Re: I want an air-integrated computer, what do you think?

Post by Ranbal » Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:11 pm

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Post by LCF » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:00 pm

If you are just an OW diver (and particularly if you are young and have one of the limited certs) you won't be going that deep, and using tables will still allow you pretty good dive times. Air consumption may limit your dives more than decompression does.

I really, really like having my depth and time information on my wrist. That way, as BDub says, they are visible throughout the entire dive, without having to use a hand to pull something up to look at it. If you have an air-integrated computer on your HP hose, you either have to pull it up, or figure out a way to clip it across your chest so that you can see it. But to look at it there, you have to look down, which means you are looking away from your buddies and from any upline or other navigational reference. This can be a problem, in low viz or in current.

I think a simple, wrist mounted computer is a very reasonable purchase for novice divers, and honestly, these days, those can be had for less than the cost of a plain bottom timer like the Uwatec or the Xen. But the air integration, although it has some useful features for logging, really isn't needed underwater. You don't have to check your pressure on a moment-to-moment basis (although I've dived with some OW students where maybe they did!) and being able to check a simple pressure gauge gives you all the gas information you need. Having to do the math to figure out your gas consumption for the dive (something AI computers may do for you) is a good intellectual exercise, too.
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Re: I want an air-integrated computer, what do you think?

Post by ljjames » Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:20 am

There is a very large segment of the diving populous that seems to think Air integrated is awesome (actually larger by far than the gauge only crew) I dive with both types... i've been known to use the air integrated widget from time to time usually on a tropical vaca (because my regular buddies would kind of look at me funny for having it on my kit - its a guilty pleasure) or regularly check my 'brass and glass' pressure gauge clipped off to my hip (the regularity goes up when i'm diving singles vs doubles)

that said, i think it depends a bit on what your diving plans are...

I would encourage a non-console unit, if only so when you travel and/or dive rental equipment you always have "your" gauge/computer/bottom timer/whatever.

OLED is nice but for sure not necessary. (you old farts shut it! Give him 40 years!)

Computer is fine, the algorithms are all pretty solid these days for recreational dives... Depth gauge/bottom timer is fine too, but you need to learn tables or how to manage your own no-deco dives, don't just take our word for it here on the interweb.

so... what kind of diving do you do? what are your plans? what is the expected ...budget? (you've gotten some excellent feedback here, but we really don't know anything about you)
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Post by jedidiver » Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:37 am

ljjames wrote:so... what kind of diving do you do? what are your plans? what is the expected ...budget? (you've gotten some excellent feedback here, but we really don't know anything about you)

I would probably dive to a 100 feet for the first couple years. I want to dive and have fun at diving. I would probably buy something nice, but not expensive.
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Post by ljjames » Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:34 am

this would be a nice unit that could grow with you no matter what path your diving takes... it is not air integrated, but it is a very nice, reliable, compact unit. I have the previous model (got it used), and it is my back up, taken on all dives.

There are probably all sorts of others out there, i just don't have much experience with them :)

http://www.scubapro.com/en-US/USA/instr ... in-2g.aspx


no matter what unit you get, I would encourage something like this:

https://www.deepseasupply.com/index.php?product=129

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Re: I want an air-integrated computer, what do you think?

Post by jedidiver » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:43 am

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ljjames wrote:but we really don't know anything about you

whose we?

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Post by CaptnJack » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:45 am

jedidiver wrote:[list=]
ljjames wrote:but we really don't know anything about you

whose we?


We, the great big wide world of internet divers!
Heck I thought you were 11yo
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Post by ljjames » Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:19 pm

What Richard Said ;)

(we being probably most of the folks posting on this thread) <grin>

CaptnJack wrote:
jedidiver wrote:[list=]
ljjames wrote:but we really don't know anything about you

whose we?


We, the great big wide world of internet divers!
Heck I thought you were 11yo
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Post by Dashrynn » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:44 pm

ljjames wrote:What Richard Said ;)

(we being probably most of the folks posting on this thread) <grin>

CaptnJack wrote:
jedidiver wrote:[list=]
ljjames wrote:but we really don't know anything about you

whose we?


We, the great big wide world of internet divers!
Heck I thought you were 11yo


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Post by airsix » Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:44 pm

Dashrynn wrote:
and then there was overkill


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Post by CaptnJack » Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:47 pm

airsix wrote:
Dashrynn wrote:
and then there was overkill


Dash, I don't know what you're talking about, but if you can get Jeri Ryan to be your spokesperson I promise to listen more intently. Image


Dash who?

+1 on that!
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Post by Dashrynn » Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:09 pm

CaptnJack wrote:
airsix wrote:
Dashrynn wrote:
and then there was overkill


Dash, I don't know what you're talking about, but if you can get Jeri Ryan to be your spokesperson I promise to listen more intently. Image


Dash who?

+1 on that!


wonder how much trouble I would be in of I made a jeri Ryan sockpuppet account....hmmmm

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Re: I want an air-integrated computer, what do you think?

Post by LCF » Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:14 pm

I really need one of those happy borgcakes as an avatar!
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