Weight System for BP/W

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Weight System for BP/W

Post by Scubie Doo » Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:37 pm

I have been looking at weight harnesses and come up with the:

DUI Weight and Trim
Oxycheq Renegade
Seasoft Seawolf

I have borrowed my friends Seasoft Seawolf and it is decent. However, I am wondering if anyone has used the DUI or Oxycheq system and what are your thoughts? Plus any suggestions on where to buy the recommended harness?

Any other weighting options/ideas are welcome. But I have a really jacked up back, so no go on a simple weight belt. Thanks for your help.

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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by spatman » Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:38 pm

DUI Classic Weight and Trim. Comfortable and very adjustable. Worth every cent.
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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by Scubie Doo » Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:44 pm

spatman wrote:DUI Classic Weight and Trim. Comfortable and very adjustable. Worth every cent.


Thanks. Size for a 5'-8" fella??? M or L?

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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by spatman » Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:51 pm

That's a good question. L? Maybe their site has sizing.

And I recommend the Classic over the W&T II.
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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by CaptnJack » Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:59 pm

Why the "weight system" vs a few lbs (or none) on the cam bands and the rest in a weightbelt?
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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by Scubie Doo » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:09 pm

spatman wrote:That's a good question. L? Maybe their site has sizing.

And I recommend the Classic over the W&T II.


Okay, thanks. Very much appreciated.

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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by Scubie Doo » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:12 pm

CaptnJack wrote:Why the "weight system" vs a few lbs (or none) on the cam bands and the rest in a weightbelt?


My back is toast, a weight belt tends to make my back really sore.

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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by CaptnJack » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:22 pm

How much lead do you need?
I have had spine surgery twice. With a single hp100 I wear about 22 on the belt plus 10 on the lower cam band. (the weezle extreme+ is lofty!) The lead on the cam bands, off the waist, and slightly higher is key for me.
Having all you lead in the DUI harness may or may not help much. You can wear it "lower" past your hips, but it may not stay there when you're in trim. And if you can get it to stay lower so it doesn't hyper extend your back it may make you feet heavy.
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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by Scubie Doo » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:31 pm

I put 14-18 on my waist depending on my undergarment and 8 on my upper cam bands. I have dove a weight belt and a weight harness and the harness helps my back. I have not had surgery but I know what makes my back hurt and what doesn't.

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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by bucknaked » Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:05 am

Keith has the dui wieght thing shoot him a pm

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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by Scubie Doo » Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:08 am

bucknaked wrote:Keith has the dui wieght thing shoot him a pm


Will do, thanks Buck!

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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by Peter Guy » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:55 am

Another vote for the DUI system. I like to be able to get my weight OFF the BP/W (even though I use Tobin's weight plates) so that it is easier to manuever. I can't wear, and really dislike, wt belts -- thus, the DUI harness is the answer.

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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by Jeff Pack » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:07 am

For those of us with careful backs, the W&T takes the weight off of the lower back, and spreads it across the entire spine.

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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by chokolad » Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:08 pm

Scubie Doo wrote:I have been looking at weight harnesses and come up with the:

DUI Weight and Trim
Oxycheq Renegade
Seasoft Seawolf

I have borrowed my friends Seasoft Seawolf and it is decent. However, I am wondering if anyone has used the DUI or Oxycheq system and what are your thoughts? Plus any suggestions on where to buy the recommended harness?

Any other weighting options/ideas are welcome. But I have a really jacked up back, so no go on a simple weight belt. Thanks for your help.


What about Weighted STA and something like Halcyon ACB pockets?

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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by Jeff Pack » Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:24 pm

Weighted STA's are frowned upon by some, because the weight is slightly farther away from the body.

The closer you can keep the weight to your body, the better it is.
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- I don't know about you but I'm not into swallowing it

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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by selkie » Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:26 pm

I have dove with someone using the Beaver Technical Weight Belt Harness made and sold in England. It is really worth a look. particularly for those diving out of small boats were they need to dawn and remove their gear in the water. The Beaver is a weight harness with integrated weight system type pockets to make the weights easier to add or remove.

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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by chokolad » Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:45 pm

Jeff Pack wrote:Weighted STA's are frowned upon by some, because the weight is slightly farther away from the body.

The closer you can keep the weight to your body, the better it is.


Are they frowned upon by a thread starter ? I used to dive weighted STA rig without any problems.

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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by BDub » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:03 pm

Jeff Pack wrote:Weighted STA's are frowned upon by some, because the weight is slightly farther away from the body.

The closer you can keep the weight to your body, the better it is.


Who frowns upon weighted STA's?

While I generally agree closer to the body helps contribute to a more balanced rig, I'd be more concerned with closer to the CoG. Tank valves, manifolds and 1st stages are close the body (shoulders), and that doesn't necessarily mean "better", considering they often need to be counterbalanced with v-weight, tail weight, etc.
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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by CaptnJack » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:15 pm

BDub wrote:Who frowns upon weighted STA's?


Well for the lead in them, they do always seem to be rediculously overpriced...
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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by Dusty2 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:25 pm

I have over a thousand dives on my DUI classic and if it wears out before I do I will buy another. I too have the bad back thing not to mention having no waist to support a weight belt! :rawlings: :rawlings:

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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by Jeff Pack » Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:36 pm

BDub wrote:
Jeff Pack wrote:Weighted STA's are frowned upon by some, because the weight is slightly farther away from the body.

The closer you can keep the weight to your body, the better it is.


Who frowns upon weighted STA's?


I dunno, random posts here and there across numerous boards. I have no experience with an STA, although I did pick my rig specifically so I didnt need an STA.
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- I would imagine that there would be a large amount of involuntary gagging
- I don't know about you but I'm not into swallowing it

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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by Jeff Pack » Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:39 pm

Now there is one downside to the W&T.

If you are boating, and you need to doff your gear before climbing onboard, you have to inflate your suit, and have two ropes, one clipped to your BP/W rig, one to the W&T.

Its not a big deal, but you have to be aware and prepare for it.
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- I would imagine that there would be a large amount of involuntary gagging
- I don't know about you but I'm not into swallowing it

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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by fishb0y » Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:31 pm

Darn phone... When you are properly weighted, if you take your BP/W off you should be more than positive, even with a W&T system on. If you are trying to climb into an inflatable, you would need that extra line anyhow for a weight belt.

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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by Dusty2 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:02 pm

Agree that! I lost a good weight belt that way

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Re: Weight System for BP/W

Post by Maxtrax » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:42 pm

Scubie Doo, at your height I would definitely try any harness system before buying it. I found that the weight and trim (2 or classic) took up too much vertical real estate on my 5'8" / 32" waist frame - it either hung too low below my backplate waist belt which made me butt-heavy and interfered with hips/upper thigh when frog kicking, or was too high above my waist belt, constricting my ribs. I also tried it directly under the waist belt, but then had to readjust harness for size and it would never stay put during the dive, slipping out thereby causing the waistbelt to be too big and my backplate to be unstable. For single tank diving I have since gone back to an XS scuba 6 pocket weight belt with 13-15# in it and 4# on the top cam band. Although I am young, my back is not what it once was due to 13 years of martial arts and I never found the weight belt to be bothersome if I secured it quite snugly directly in the small of my back and then down along my iliac crest.

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