Hmmmm, Let me see 7 grand = 1000 fills @ $7 each which would get me thru roughly 7 years ????? Which doesn't even begin to talk about upkeep, maintenance, and rebuilds! And that's a good deal???Jeff Pack wrote:or spend 4k for a compressor, 2k for a scuba shack and power, few hundred in fittings, 225$ for AVO (bottle and gas) and its all low cost after that...
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Well, you have to factor in the gas for your car to take your tanks to and pick up from the shop, plus the wear on the car and insurance. And most importantly, your time whatever that's worth to you.Dusty2 wrote:Hmmmm, Let me see 7 grand = 1000 fills @ $7 each which would get me thru roughly 7 years ????? Which doesn't even begin to talk about upkeep, maintenance, and rebuilds! And that's a good deal???Jeff Pack wrote:or spend 4k for a compressor, 2k for a scuba shack and power, few hundred in fittings, 225$ for AVO (bottle and gas) and its all low cost after that...
I can't afford a compressor and I live far from diving. But if I had the extra cash and lived where I could dive as often as I liked, I definitely would have a compressor.
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I have something far better than a compressor. A dive buddy with a compressor.spatman wrote:Well, you have to factor in the gas for your car to take your tanks to and pick up from the shop, plus the wear on the car and insurance. And most importantly, your time whatever that's worth to you.Dusty2 wrote:Hmmmm, Let me see 7 grand = 1000 fills @ $7 each which would get me thru roughly 7 years ????? Which doesn't even begin to talk about upkeep, maintenance, and rebuilds! And that's a good deal???Jeff Pack wrote:or spend 4k for a compressor, 2k for a scuba shack and power, few hundred in fittings, 225$ for AVO (bottle and gas) and its all low cost after that...
I can't afford a compressor and I live far from diving. But if I had the extra cash and lived where I could dive as often as I liked, I definitely would have a compressor.
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What I would really like is a cost effective portable compressor. We do not dive at home enough that a compressor here would help much. Since we get free air from the Dive team compressor it really sucks to have to spend money getting fills when we travel.
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As far as thermal difference I plead ignorance due to indifference. Undergarment and whether my suit leaks or not have the greatest influence on how warm I am! As far as physiological effect that makes a difference in how you feel... well, the following quote says it best.lamont wrote:thermal conductivity and heat capacity of O2 and N2 are close enough to not make any practical difference, particularly between 21% and 32%. any difference between air and nitrox as suit inflation or breathing gas is going to be placebo effect.
Right on Lavachickie! In terms of physiological difference (how I feel) I will second lavachickie's big BS on the idea that there is no difference. I wonder if Dan's research was in nice warm, clear, blue water? Whether some people "feel" the difference or not is immaterial to me - not everyone "feels" narced, but narcosis is real (helium, anyone?), some don't "feel" any different physiologically diving nitrox, but I remain unconvinced that something that so greatly affects your NDL's has "no effect" on your body, and thus how you "feel". The abundant anecdotal evidence is enough for me, particularly in the one study that is the most relevant - the study monitoring my old, tired body.lavachickie wrote:I'd read some material (from DAN, maybe) that said there was no scientific research supporting the claims that one felt better/less tired/etc. after diving on Nitrox compared to air. I'm usually pretty skepitical, but all I can say is after I started diving Nitrox I called bullshit on that... maybe it's a difficult issue to measure/quantify, but whatever... IT'S TRUE. A long day of multiple dives in the cold would wipe me out. Now I'm just comfortably and happily tired. That's scientific, right?
Perhaps if one is young, fit, has a very low body fat percentage there might be little difference between diving air and nitrox. Alas, though I am getting better I do not yet find myself in that category!
And thanks Kelly - I am very familiar with Tacoma Scuba's wonderful Nitrox punch card. A sweet deal! In fact I have one in my wallet.ktb wrote:And Tom, the Tacoma Scuba Nitrox punch card is so worth it -- only $7 a fill.
But their $20 unlimited airfill deal is an even better deal, and as I am cheap... well, you get the idea.
But, I am also old, so come December a nitrox card is going back into my monthly budget. But it has to be in the budget!
Oh, and Mr brewer's post is the most sensible in this thread!Nwbrewer wrote:I have something far better than a compressor. A dive buddy with a compressor.
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"Anyone who thinks this place is over moderated is bat-crazy anarchist." -Ben, Airsix
"Warning: No dive masters are going to be there, Just a bunch of old fat guys taking pictures of fish." -Bassman
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And to that, I give you your avatar.Tom Nic wrote:And thanks Kelly - I am very familiar with Tacoma Scuba's wonderful Nitrox punch card. A sweet deal! In fact I have one in my wallet.ktb wrote:And Tom, the Tacoma Scuba Nitrox punch card is so worth it -- only $7 a fill.
Kelly
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Guilty as charged.ktb wrote:And to that, I give you your avatar.Tom Nic wrote:And thanks Kelly - I am very familiar with Tacoma Scuba's wonderful Nitrox punch card. A sweet deal! In fact I have one in my wallet.ktb wrote:And Tom, the Tacoma Scuba Nitrox punch card is so worth it -- only $7 a fill.
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"Anyone who thinks this place is over moderated is bat-crazy anarchist." -Ben, Airsix
"Warning: No dive masters are going to be there, Just a bunch of old fat guys taking pictures of fish." -Bassman
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RIIIIIGHT...like you pay soooooo much $$$$ for air that you've got to really make it last...Nwbrewer wrote:Besides adding a little 02 to the mix, extending your shallow stops a couple of minutes really helps my fatigue levels when doing Tire Gas dives. 2@30, 3@20, and hang at 10 until I'm cold/low on gas/bored, then slow up. Always plenty to see in the shallows when doing shore dives anyway. Helps to really stretch a tank out too.
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i did trox in florida last month.. the only thing i felt that was different was longer bottom times, and my nark didnt happen till i hit 110 feet to 120 feet.. i was still tired after diving , but thats because chad Made me work and load the gear like a slave boy from washington
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And a good boy you were. Worked like a real man, instead of a .....
Your avatar seems awful blue. Would that be from one of those 120 foot dives you did in the waters here???
Your narc had always seemed to be the worst when you are on the surface!
Your avatar seems awful blue. Would that be from one of those 120 foot dives you did in the waters here???
Your narc had always seemed to be the worst when you are on the surface!
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- I got a good squirt in my mouth
- I would imagine that there would be a large amount of involuntary gagging
- I don't know about you but I'm not into swallowing it
CCR discussion on Caustic Cocktails.
- I got a good squirt in my mouth
- I would imagine that there would be a large amount of involuntary gagging
- I don't know about you but I'm not into swallowing it
CCR discussion on Caustic Cocktails.
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Suck it up and drive onTom Nic wrote:Did two deep dives today with Bassman, Pogiguy, and Bucknaked at Three Tree. Great viz, lots of critters, and a trinket or two.
I am exhausted.
These deep tire gas dives are killing me.
Heck, even Mr. Naked is diving 'trox.
And I am getting old.
Time to sell some aluminum cans and buy some nitrox.
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AmenDusty2 wrote:Only in diving would someone spend thousands on equipment drive a hundred or more miles or fly a thousand miles, Pay a hundred bucks or more for a boat ride and bitch about the cost of a tank of trox!
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A poor ascent is going to make you tired regardless of gas selection. The fatigue is from poorly managed offgassing. Nitrox helps that. An ascent like Jake describes helps that. Combine the two and you should feel more rested after the dive than before. I used to do 60fpm ascents with no stop because that's what was taught in 1984. I used to be crazy tired after every dive. I thought that's just how people felt after diving. Using a proper mix and a min-deco ascent I have no post-dive fatigue at all.
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I should have used the sarcasm font...Dusty2 wrote:Hmmmm, Let me see 7 grand = 1000 fills @ $7 each which would get me thru roughly 7 years ????? Which doesn't even begin to talk about upkeep, maintenance, and rebuilds! And that's a good deal???Jeff Pack wrote:or spend 4k for a compressor, 2k for a scuba shack and power, few hundred in fittings, 225$ for AVO (bottle and gas) and its all low cost after that...
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- I got a good squirt in my mouth
- I would imagine that there would be a large amount of involuntary gagging
- I don't know about you but I'm not into swallowing it
CCR discussion on Caustic Cocktails.
- I got a good squirt in my mouth
- I would imagine that there would be a large amount of involuntary gagging
- I don't know about you but I'm not into swallowing it
CCR discussion on Caustic Cocktails.
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So every time I'm tired is because of a "poor ascent"? Really? Come on Ben... I will cop to that sometimes, and great advice to be sure, but respectfully, not the "cure-all".airsix wrote:A poor ascent is going to make you tired regardless of gas selection. The fatigue is from poorly managed offgassing. Nitrox helps that. An ascent like Jake describes helps that. Combine the two and you should feel more rested after the dive than before. I used to do 60fpm ascents with no stop because that's what was taught in 1984. I used to be crazy tired after every dive. I thought that's just how people felt after diving. Using a proper mix and a min-deco ascent I have no post-dive fatigue at all.
Ben
I've still experienced fatigue with way more conservative ascents than Jake described, due in large part to my driving my dive buddies crazy by carefully taking multiple pictures of every faintly photogenic critter I can find between 100 & 10 fsw.
In any case, I really appreciate the advice! It's been a fun thread, and so, that being said, I will now: 1) Dive 'Trox, 2) Ascend even slower, 3) Do mini-deco stops along the way.
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"Anyone who thinks this place is over moderated is bat-crazy anarchist." -Ben, Airsix
"Warning: No dive masters are going to be there, Just a bunch of old fat guys taking pictures of fish." -Bassman
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Dude - how did this slip by me? You are in Bon-frickin-aire?!?Jeremy wrote:I just did 8 dives at 8 different dive sites here in Bonaire yesterday. That was another reason to use 32%.
While I agree with you, you do realize now that we hate you, right?
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"Anyone who thinks this place is over moderated is bat-crazy anarchist." -Ben, Airsix
"Warning: No dive masters are going to be there, Just a bunch of old fat guys taking pictures of fish." -Bassman
"Anyone who thinks this place is over moderated is bat-crazy anarchist." -Ben, Airsix
"Warning: No dive masters are going to be there, Just a bunch of old fat guys taking pictures of fish." -Bassman
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Last time I had an "undeserved" subclinical fatigue-and-feverish hit was probably with less than a hundred dives at redondo on 21%. Nearly fell asleep on the way home and curled up next to the heater on full blast with feverish chills for a few hours and slept it off. Since then I've both switched to always using either 32% or helium, but I've also gotten a lot better at ascents. Which of those two things fixed the problem?
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Yes?lamont wrote:Last time I had an "undeserved" subclinical fatigue-and-feverish hit was probably with less than a hundred dives at redondo on 21%. Nearly fell asleep on the way home and curled up next to the heater on full blast with feverish chills for a few hours and slept it off. Since then I've both switched to always using either 32% or helium, but I've also gotten a lot better at ascents. Which of those two things fixed the problem?
Although I've never experienced the "feverish" part. Perhaps something else was in play as well...
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"Anyone who thinks this place is over moderated is bat-crazy anarchist." -Ben, Airsix
"Warning: No dive masters are going to be there, Just a bunch of old fat guys taking pictures of fish." -Bassman
"Anyone who thinks this place is over moderated is bat-crazy anarchist." -Ben, Airsix
"Warning: No dive masters are going to be there, Just a bunch of old fat guys taking pictures of fish." -Bassman
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If it helps any our entire truck was stolen...fortunately there was nothing in it. :(Tom Nic wrote:Dude - how did this slip by me? You are in Bon-frickin-aire?!?Jeremy wrote:I just did 8 dives at 8 different dive sites here in Bonaire yesterday. That was another reason to use 32%.
While I agree with you, you do realize now that we hate you, right?
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bummer!
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- I got a good squirt in my mouth
- I would imagine that there would be a large amount of involuntary gagging
- I don't know about you but I'm not into swallowing it
CCR discussion on Caustic Cocktails.
- I got a good squirt in my mouth
- I would imagine that there would be a large amount of involuntary gagging
- I don't know about you but I'm not into swallowing it
CCR discussion on Caustic Cocktails.
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Oh my... That majorly sucks... Hope you had the insurance that took care of it, although even with the right coverage you lose a day of diving chasing paperwork.Jeremy wrote:If it helps any our entire truck was stolen...fortunately there was nothing in it. :(Tom Nic wrote:Dude - how did this slip by me? You are in Bon-frickin-aire?!?Jeremy wrote:I just did 8 dives at 8 different dive sites here in Bonaire yesterday. That was another reason to use 32%.
While I agree with you, you do realize now that we hate you, right?
Better luck to you and your crew and hope you still have a wonderful time on my favorite little island.
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"Anyone who thinks this place is over moderated is bat-crazy anarchist." -Ben, Airsix
"Warning: No dive masters are going to be there, Just a bunch of old fat guys taking pictures of fish." -Bassman
"Anyone who thinks this place is over moderated is bat-crazy anarchist." -Ben, Airsix
"Warning: No dive masters are going to be there, Just a bunch of old fat guys taking pictures of fish." -Bassman
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So far looks like insurance will cover it. We did everything right. Had the windows down, doors unlocked, nothing in the truck...we even asked for their worst trucks hah!
But woke up at 5:00am to find the truck was gone. It was later found in a nearby field missing the tires and battery. It had also been completely torched alongside another truck that had received similar treatment.
But woke up at 5:00am to find the truck was gone. It was later found in a nearby field missing the tires and battery. It had also been completely torched alongside another truck that had received similar treatment.
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When we are in Mexico and leave the windows down our friends think we are crazy....we've tried it the other way. That didn't work. Window broken and purse missing within sight of where we were walking the beach. But if they want the vehicle they will take it locked or unlocked.