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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by dwashbur » Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:37 pm

I noticed in both written decisions that they said ACF omitted some crucial financial information, and possibly something else I can't remember. If someone can help them redo their proposal the way the Powers That Be want it, that would probably help the case a lot. Just thinking out loud.
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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by ljjames » Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:04 pm

Sadly that time is mostly past, but we will have 3 min (and up to 10) to speak to the council.... some financial information was all that was omitted and that was because the owner thought they (Parks and Recreation) already had it from some previous recent application... I do not know all the details on that.
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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by pogiguy05 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:01 am

Well I was reading some earlier posts about the parking there and can anyone suggest or have they suggested doing the same as the paid parking at Redondo? The city would make money and if you stay past your limit I know Redondo hits you with a $20 fine. (to include those who try not to pay) Although there is some leniency in the winter as they don't have anyone there like they do during boating season. Now it kind of deters someone from wanting to eat there cause they have to pay a fee to park so that is the only negative I can think of for a paid parking lot.
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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by BASSMAN » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:21 am

2 hour Limit, no problem, just move your car during the S.I., to a different parking spot in the same lot.
Funy how this thread became, all about parking.
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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by fmerkel » Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:37 am

BASSMAN wrote:2 hour Limit, no problem, just move your car during the S.I., to a different parking spot in the same lot.
Funy how this thread became, all about parking.
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Moving may no longer work. The City now uses a license plate photo + GPS time stamp. Believe it or not you actually get a HIGHER fine by moving your vehicle to try to avoid getting an overtime ticket.
Yes, I got one, it's true. I did not get it at Cove 2 (Upper U. Dist.) but it is my understanding this technology is being more extensively available.

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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by lamont » Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:37 pm

fmerkel wrote:Moving may no longer work. The City now uses a license plate photo + GPS time stamp. Believe it or not you actually get a HIGHER fine by moving your vehicle to try to avoid getting an overtime ticket.


So if you park for 5 minutes to load/unload something and they happen to snap a pic, then you go off and come back 2 hours later and you park in another spot for 5 minutes to load/unload you can nailed for some overtime + general naughtiness fine?

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Post by kdupreez » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:10 pm

lamont wrote:
fmerkel wrote:Moving may no longer work. The City now uses a license plate photo + GPS time stamp. Believe it or not you actually get a HIGHER fine by moving your vehicle to try to avoid getting an overtime ticket.


So if you park for 5 minutes to load/unload something and they happen to snap a pic, then you go off and come back 2 hours later and you park in another spot for 5 minutes to load/unload you can nailed for some overtime + general naughtiness fine?



yup, you can probably contest it, but there was a traffic police lady marking tires last week and i asked her exactly that.. what if i was here in the morning for 1hr and cam back in the afternoon..

she said it will count as 1 long stay and they would consider you only moving your car to circumvent the law and thats an even bigger fine (or so she said).. :nutty:
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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by fmerkel » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:07 pm

The extra penalty is only a few bucks more. I think it's priced just about exactly at the high irritation level but below what you are willing to do to contest it. We were in a REEF class, broke for lunch, did musical cars, and came back after the class to find collective tickets for trying to avoid a ticket. A whole new level of urban bother.
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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

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fmerkel wrote:The extra penalty is only a few bucks more. I think it's priced just about exactly at the high irritation level but below what you are willing to do to contest it. We were in a REEF class, broke for lunch, did musical cars, and came back after the class to find collective tickets for trying to avoid a ticket. A whole new level of urban bother.

Urban fund-raising, you mean ... it's yet another way the City is trying to alleviate it's bad spending habits off the backs of honest citizens.

If parking gets to be too much of an issue at Cove 2, I'll simply stop going there. Seems like what the City really wants is to drive more people out of the City anyway ...

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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by ktb » Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:32 pm

When I arrived for a dive on 12/30, there were two parking enforcement vehicles in the lot (taking up spaces) and a third on the street. I'm hoping they were just taking a break in the restaurant, but . . .
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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by ljjames » Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:07 am

the folks at ACF (who are there daily) kinda feel like they are there very specifically since the potential change of ownership was brought to light. I guess they are maybe even hassling them?
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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by johnclark » Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:44 pm

I have an update. I heard that the new owners came by with a posse of about 20 people. They did the walk through to scope out the place.

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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by ljjames » Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:31 pm

ugh.. that must have sucked for Yvonne... i know she was not looking forward to it as is, they kept rescheduling with weather and stuff. Do not have the exact date for the city council meeting that we need to swarm...

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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by ktb » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:48 pm

So don't hate me . . .

I had never heard of Marination before this thread, but when I checked out their menu online, I was intrigued. I stopped by the brick and mortar location in December for lunch and . . . I fell in love. So much so that I even served their kalua pork sliders at my island-themed birthday party this month.

I am HUGE fan of Yvonne and I’m sorry to see Alki Fish and Crab go (I even signed the petition), but I’m also excited about Marination. I had a great discussion with one of their managers, Michelle, and I told her that I was a local diver who frequents Cove 2. She confirmed that during the RFP process, the city gave them impression that all the applicants were new vendors, not the existing business. I mentioned that one concern we had (as a diving community) was the AED, and she saw no reason why they wouldn’t work with us on keeping the AED safe but accessible. She said they are very committed to working with the local community—especially us divers!—and look forward to hearing any concerns or comments we have regarding their upcoming operations at Cove 2.

If nothing else, I think the petition showed them that we are a strong, vocal group and they can’t ignore us. So other than the AED, is there anything else we consider VITALLY important to Cove 2 you would like me to mention? She said, "We are still a long way off from finalizing Seacrest, but I would like to keep you as a contact as we move forward. As concerns arise, please feel free to let us know!" I am happy to gather feedback/comments/concerns and pass them along.

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Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by cofford » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:55 pm

+1. I really like Yvonne too, but Marination rocks.
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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by airsix » Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:52 pm

@Kelly
I'd love to see the community go through whatever steps it would take to try and get the parking time limit extended to 3 or 4 hours.
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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by CaptnJack » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:15 pm

I think we should be very careful approaching the city about the parking time limit in the lot. I don't want them putting a new limit on the street in that process. Or meters in the lot.
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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by airsix » Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:03 pm

It just seems logical to me. Seacrest is used for diving more than any other activity. Sure there are lots of other uses going on along the waterfront, but right there at Cove2 diving is the major attraction. The 2 hour limit is not compatible with the location's primary use. When I say "go through whatever steps" I mean 'the proper steps', whatever those may be.
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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by CaptnJack » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:09 pm

airsix wrote:It just seems logical to me. Seacrest is used for diving more than any other activity. Sure there are lots of other uses going on along the waterfront, but right there at Cove2 diving is the major attraction. The 2 hour limit is not compatible with the location's primary use. When I say "go through whatever steps" I mean 'the proper steps', whatever those may be.


I'm not sure diving is even the primary activity. There's a fishing pier, foot ferry, roller skating/blading rentals, two different boat rentals, and bike rentals on top of the restaurant, coffee shop across the street, and Salty's at Cove1.

Making the lot 4 hour parking would be great for diving - if you got there before any of those other users. Worst case, if the city decided to make the whole street 4 hour parking at the same time, not so great a bargain.
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Post by ljjames » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:23 pm

what richard said...
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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by kdupreez » Mon May 28, 2012 10:51 pm

I heard an interresting story today that there is a "zoning" issue with the new tennants when they applied for the business license or something?

apparently that specific area is not zoned for restaurants or something and Parks and Rec owns it and they now have to go through a re-zoning effort?

not sure how much truth is sticking to this, does anyone know??
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Post by Penopolypants » Mon May 28, 2012 11:38 pm

It's a permitting issue, not a zoning issue. The site was apparently never formally permitted by Parks to be a restaurant even under the previous tenant. It now has to go through additional permitting hoops (an unpleasant and unfortunate surprise to the Marination people I imagine). It's a delay, since public comment is involved, not a denial.
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Post by Grateful Diver » Tue May 29, 2012 5:27 am

Meanwhile we're into peak season and the place sits empty ... great business decision by the Parks Dept.

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Re: Really bad news for Seattle divers

Post by CaptnJack » Tue May 29, 2012 8:54 am

Penopolypants wrote:It's a permitting issue, not a zoning issue. The site was apparently never formally permitted by Parks to be a restaurant even under the previous tenant. It now has to go through additional permitting hoops (an unpleasant and unfortunate surprise to the Marination people I imagine). It's a delay, since public comment is involved, not a denial.


Shoot its never been zoned and the shoreline environment was not designated to be a ferry dock either, but that didn't stopped the previous mayor from siting a major transportation facility in a public park.

Sorry the Marination people went into business with the retarded Parks dept.
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