The Bottle Thread

This forum is for all other types of chatter, including non-SCUBA stuff.
Diver_Dave
I've Got Gills
Posts: 1207
Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2006 4:40 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Diver_Dave » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:46 pm

I have 1 bottle up here I found....Bottles r so cool......
D.D.
Sitka,Alaska
Finding things under water....

thebottlevault
Frequent Bubbler
Posts: 26
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:12 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby thebottlevault » Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:54 pm

Hi Jackie, sorry to say I don't have any info on that bottle. Assuming it is that same "deco" style bottle as the Seattle example, it dates from the 1920's, and probably was a flavor bottle (Orange, Lemon, Grape soda) from the Coca Cola bottler. Not much value, but a neat item nonetheless.

David

Jackie Timothy
Hi, I'm New To NWDC!
Posts: 1
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:44 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Jackie Timothy » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:43 pm

I found a coca cola bottle that matches everything posted about this one except the stamp is Portland Ore. Do you have info about that one?

Thanks. . .Jackie

User avatar
Dive Monkey
Aquaphile
Posts: 192
Joined: Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:43 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Dive Monkey » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:46 pm

Nice eagle cafe as well!

User avatar
Dive Monkey
Aquaphile
Posts: 192
Joined: Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:43 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Dive Monkey » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:41 pm

BASSMAN wrote:
Dive Monkey wrote:The latest find. looks to be a medicine bottle.

Hey Dive Monkey,
Tom nic found a bottle just like yours, @ Three Tree N.
the wierd symbol at the top that looks like a funky 3, is actually a symbol for "4 Ounces"
Tom's wife confirmed that, by putting an exact measured amount of 4 ounces of water and it filled the bottle right to the top.
But now...
Here's one for this page, What do you think about these bottles that my Daughter recently aquired. :neener:
EMBALMING FLUID BOTTLES 003.jpg

EMBALMING FLUID BOTTLES 004.jpg



Nice! Bucknaked also found one of those at three tree. I need to get out there since all of the storm action.Nice undertaker fluid!

User avatar
Mortuus
Amphibian
Posts: 859
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:57 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Mortuus » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:46 am

BASSMAN wrote:http://edmonds.patch.com/articles/the-eagle-cafe-an-early-twentieth-century-landmark#photo-7613412

http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/ ... ISOPTR=445
EAGLE CAFE 001.jpg


Thats awesome!!

User avatar
BASSMAN
I've Got Gills
Posts: 5794
Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:55 am

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby BASSMAN » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:48 am

http://edmonds.patch.com/articles/the-e ... to-7613412

http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/ ... ISOPTR=445
EAGLE CAFE 001.jpg
This is my most recent found treasure... 100 fsw @ TTN!

Edmonds Eagle Cafe' 1905.jpg
1905

Edmonds Hotel 1966.jpg
1966

Edmonds mixed use and residential community - 2012.jpg
2012

It's neat to see how the slope of the road, stayed the same
Renton - Eagle Cafe 1927.jpg
Or maybe it was in Renton (1927)

This is exactly why I enjoy Bottle Hunting!
Maybe I'll get aorund ti visiting these museums and see if there might be a place, for my little creamer bottle there! :notworthy:
Last edited by BASSMAN on Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Hi, my name is Keith, and I'm a Dive Addict! :supz:

User avatar
BASSMAN
I've Got Gills
Posts: 5794
Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:55 am

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby BASSMAN » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:45 am

Dive Monkey wrote:The latest find. looks to be a medicine bottle.

Hey Dive Monkey,
Tom nic found a bottle just like yours, @ Three Tree N.
the wierd symbol at the top that looks like a funky 3, is actually a symbol for "4 Ounces"
Tom's wife confirmed that, by putting an exact measured amount of 4 ounces of water and it filled the bottle right to the top.
But now...
Here's one for this page, What do you think about these bottles that my Daughter recently aquired. :neener:
EMBALMING FLUID BOTTLES 003.jpg
Front view

EMBALMING FLUID BOTTLES 004.jpg
Side view
Hi, my name is Keith, and I'm a Dive Addict! :supz:

thebottlevault
Frequent Bubbler
Posts: 26
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:12 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby thebottlevault » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:44 pm

Hi Sitkadiver, those Russian bottles sound good, especially since they would be quite old and from the early days of Alaska being settled by the Russians.

And actually there are a fair amount of SE Alaska embossed drug store bottles, I've seen them embossed from Douglas, Wrangell, Ketchikan, Juneau, Valdez, and perhaps a few other towns that don't come to mind right now. There are several varieties from Fairbanks, and I've seen an embossed druggist dose medicine glass from Iditarod. And you may come across the blob top Hutchinson soda bottles, there are some from Nome, and one that seemed to show up in SE Alaska, the Distilled Soda Water Company of Alaska. Also there is a Zarembo Mineral Springs bottle (SE Alaska), both in torpedo shape, and regular shape, the regular crown top style is embossed "Alaska." Good luck and hope you find some!

Hi Chris, nice pics and cool pottery bottle. This one is European, most likely from The Netherlands. They put out a wide variety of these bottles, most have the incuse or "stamped in" markings in the pottery, some have symbols or animal markings, others just text. They usually come handled, though a few do not have applied handles. These liquor bottles date from the 1870's to the 1910's. I have found a few while bottle digging, and they are not rare, but not too common either. Value probably around $20 or so at the most. A neat historic item you have!

User avatar
Chris Borgen
Compulsive Diver
Posts: 315
Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:19 pm

Ceramic Bottle

Postby Chris Borgen » Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:40 pm

Hey David,

Maybe you can help me identify this one. Ceramic, a lion stamped in the top, and there is some fancy writing on the lead piece at the top but I cannot make it out. Thanks

-Chris
Attachments
CIMG4603.jpg
CIMG4602.jpg
Maritime Documentation Society
http://www.maritimedocumentation.org

User avatar
sitkadiver
Submariner
Posts: 505
Joined: Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:33 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby sitkadiver » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:29 pm

Dave,

I haven't found anything with embossing from Alaska. I imagine there were would be very few in Southeast as most of our commodities were brought up from Seattle. And still are in fact... A few divers in the area have found Russian bottles. Those I'm told are very rare and almost impossible to find information about since the Russian government has changed so dramatically in the last two centuries.

I have a Fox snappy drink bottle I'll get a photo of and an unknown product from SBA, Seattle Bottlers Association.
I do not believe in taking unnecesary risks, but a life without risk is not worth living.
-Charles Lindbergh

thebottlevault
Frequent Bubbler
Posts: 26
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:12 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby thebottlevault » Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:10 pm

Nice pics of the bottles and china, sitkadiver!

I knew of some old timers that dove off Port Townsend WA and they found many of the USN Medical Department and U.S. Marine Hospital bottles. They are pretty old, dating from the 1880-1910 time period.

Have you found any Alaska embossed medicine or pharmacy bottles, they are quite valuable!

User avatar
sitkadiver
Submariner
Posts: 505
Joined: Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:33 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby sitkadiver » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:53 am

I tend to find a lot of ink and medicine bottles in our channel. One of my favorite things to find are the Medical Department, USN bottles. I have a couple in various sizes that I have sent to my mom to display in her house.....

Image

We've also found lots of dishes, most of which have been given away or donated to the Larkspur Cafe.

Image


Thanks for signing on Dave. With your knowledge, we'll be sure to keep you busy with questions.
I do not believe in taking unnecesary risks, but a life without risk is not worth living.
-Charles Lindbergh

thebottlevault
Frequent Bubbler
Posts: 26
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:12 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby thebottlevault » Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:07 pm

Hi Dive Monkey, thanks for keeping this thread alive! :)

You are correct, this is a medicine / pharmacy bottle. Because the top of the bottle shows a "reinforced" double lip style, it would date after 1910. If there is an "Owens Ring" on the underside of the base, it is a machine made bottle, otherwise from the pics it could be handblown. Sorry to say, no value here, IF it had the name of the drug store embossed in the glass it could be a really good bottle.

David

User avatar
Dive Monkey
Aquaphile
Posts: 192
Joined: Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:43 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Dive Monkey » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:07 pm

The latest find. looks to be a medicine bottle.
Attachments
20121125_164832.jpg
20121125_164724.jpg
20121125_163042.jpg
20121125_163014.jpg

thebottlevault
Frequent Bubbler
Posts: 26
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:12 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby thebottlevault » Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:55 pm

Hi Dive Monkey, a cool find with original contents! The bottle itself is super common, again, a very successful company that produced millions of these bottles over the years. From the photos, yours looks like either a machine made cork top or a machine made transitional tab top bottle, dating from the 1910-1920's time period. I've found these listerine bottles in 1 oz, 2 oz, 4 oz. In my own collection, I have a 20 INCH tall Listerine Drug Store display bottle! Same shape as the cork top examples, but huge!

User avatar
Dive Monkey
Aquaphile
Posts: 192
Joined: Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:43 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Dive Monkey » Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:16 am

My latest find. listerine bottle with whats left of a cork and old listerine! I am now having an internal struggle as to leaving the cork in or pulling it to clean the inside of the bottle
Attachments
20121026_005333.jpg
20121026_005325.jpg

thebottlevault
Frequent Bubbler
Posts: 26
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:12 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby thebottlevault » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:27 pm

Hi Citycatred! You have a Washington State wine bottle, from 1957. These screw top bottles decorated with grapes and grape leaves were popular in the 1950's. No real value here but something fun to find diving!

David

User avatar
citycatred
Submariner
Posts: 530
Joined: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:08 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby citycatred » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:04 pm

I've got a random one that hopefully you can help with,
From what I could tell the imprint said "Washington Wine Council, 21 (L) 57 6B"

248957_1900169737597_8041507_n.jpg

229203_1900168177558_5618353_n.jpg
When in doubt, make a fool of yourself. There is a microscopically thin line between being brilliantly creative and acting like the most gigantic idiot on earth. So what the hell, leap.
Cynthia Heimel

thebottlevault
Frequent Bubbler
Posts: 26
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:12 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby thebottlevault » Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:41 am

Happy to help out on the value / money / rarity question! And I am attracted to old bottles for all of these reasons, the history, the fun of holding a 100+ year old artifact, the fun of the hunt to find bottles, and the monetary value.

This answer may be a bit general but should fit most bottle categories... probably the most valuable old bottles are from these categories... Western Whiskies and Western Bitters bottles, along with the early East Coast colored Historical Flasks. Select bottles from these categories have changed hands privately and at auction for over $100,000 each! Yes... that much!

Being located in a relatively newer part of the country, we rarely find Historical Flasks out here. In years of digging, I think I know of only a couple of people who have found the most common ca 1860's Double Eagle historical flasks, and they were found in the early settled towns of Walla Walla and Port Townsend. The early pre-1860 Pontiled bottles are rarely found out here, again, perhaps Port Gamble, Steilacoom, Walla Walla, Port Townsend etc are where they have turned up.

Bottle diggers and scuba divers do have a better chance of finding good Western whiskies, from San Francisco, or even Washington Territory embossed drug store, soda, and whiskey bottles. Some good Western bitters bottles have been dug here also, but again, our area is just a bit too recently settled to get the good early Western bottles. San Francisco / Gold Rush era California towns have produced tons of valuable bottles that are rarely found up here in WA State. I have heard of early bottle divers finding great stuff off of Port Townsend... whiskies, Washington Territory bottles, and good stuff that was dumped overboard off all the ships that cleared customs there, or were doing commerce between WA and CA. Ditto with Port Gamble, Port Blakely, Roche Harbor, and other ports. I think there are still very good bottles to be found, but location is critical, and diving off early ports and territorial settlements would be about the best chance. Some good Western Bitters bottles have been found diving off the early WA settlements, some of these are worth $50,000 or more!

Having said all that, there are still bottles in the $20-$2000 range that do turn up a bit more frequently here in Washington. First of all, plain unembossed bottles are rarely worth much at all. So, look for embossed lettering. And another general rule... screw top bottles are pretty much "recycle" items and not collected. Look for the early embossed Hutchinson (blob top style) soda bottles, they exist from Wash Territory and WA State and are worth $20-$500 each. Look for embossed clear and colored pharmacy / drug store bottle, from WA Terr days all the way thru 1915 there are some good and rare bottles, again, valued from $10-$500 each. There are very pretty cornflower blue Seattle W. T. druggist bottles that are valued at $500 each or more. WA state embossed whiskey flasks and cylinders can get valuable. They are currently priced from about $20 - $2000 or more each. Probably the most valuable would be a clear whiskey fifth, embossed from M & K Gottstein of Seattle, W. T. (WA TERR) with embossed Indian paddling a canoe. The old J H CUTTER whiskies from SF CAL were used quite a bit up here and come in many varieties, some of the rare early Applied Gloppy tops can be worth $2000! Bottles from where I live up in Bellingham, that have the names of the earlier towns here like New Whatcom, Sehome, Fairhaven have a great local collector value, and are kind of ghost town bottles. Some good bottles from Portland Oregon have been found in the Puget Sound area. And pick up Canadian bottles, the stoneware Ginger Beer bottles from British Columbia can be worth $100's each. The best bottle from BC is a stoneware stenciled Cross & Co Black Bear Brand ginger beer bottle, with stenciled Standing Black Bear animal! Worth about $1000 or more. Bottles from Victoria BC are good too! And don't be afraid to pick up old power or telegraph glass /porcelain insulators. There were some historic 1860-1880 telegraph lines that ran thru Washington, and some of these early insulators in cobalt blue, sapphire blue, or greens can be worth $2000 or more. The names to look for are Cal Electric Works, E C & M CO SF, Tillitson (threadless insulator), S McKee (threadless) and a few others.

So, don't be discouraged, the rare bottles are rare for a reason, and valuable. It takes perseverance to find good ones, just like digging bottles. I think diving is pretty much wide open for more good finds and discoveries, unlike land digging where some towns in WA are pretty much "dug out." Good luck and stay safe, and I hope to see some good bottles showing up on this thread!

David

User avatar
Tom Nic
I've Got Gills
Posts: 9210
Joined: Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:26 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Tom Nic » Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:49 am

Dive Monkey wrote:Hey David
Thanks for the quick repley! One thing i have noticed is many of the bottles we find are not worth a whole lot. Most of the bottles I come acrosss can be found on ebay for two or three dollars Which is fine by me. Im not in it for money. I just like getting to learn about some of the history behind them. But i am curious as to what would be an example of something we might find in NW waters that would be of value.
Thanks
Eric


Great question! I share your sentiment
Dive Monkey wrote: Im not in it for money.
and your curiosity.
More Pics Than You Have Time To Look AT
"Anyone who thinks this place is over moderated is bat-crazy anarchist." -Ben, Airsix
"Warning: No dive masters are going to be there, Just a bunch of old fat guys taking pictures of fish." -Bassman

User avatar
Dive Monkey
Aquaphile
Posts: 192
Joined: Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:43 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Dive Monkey » Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:23 am

Hey David
Thanks for the quick repley! One thing i have noticed is many of the bottles we find are not worth a whole lot. Most of the bottles I come acrosss can be found on ebay for two or three dollars Which is fine by me. Im not in it for money. I just like getting to learn about some of the history behind them. But i am curious as to what would be an example of something we might find in NW waters that would be of value.
Thanks
Eric

thebottlevault
Frequent Bubbler
Posts: 26
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:12 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby thebottlevault » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:23 pm

Hi Buck Naked!

1. Your Cammarano Bros bottle is an example of the classic 1920's-early 1930's Deco style soda bottle, in clear glass, crown top machine made. All sorts of weird shapes were made for the soda bottlers of that time period, J G Fox of Seattle, some of the oddball Coca Cola flavor bottles, and other bottlers all over the USA used unusually shaped soda bottles during this time period. James Cammarano was proprietor the the Enumclaw (WA) Bottling Works in the late teens early 1920's. By 1923, Phillip, James, and William Cammarano owned and operated the Whistle Bottling Works in Tacoma. In 1928, they began operations as the Cammarano Brothers, and incorporated under that name in 1934. The company continued in business for decades, I believe they are still in business under some other corporate name in the Puget Sound area.

2. Your dark green bottle is a from Trieste, Italy, and held beer. Looks like it is a nice attractive yellowish amber color, with good embossing. Again, not a ton of value but a neat early import beer.

3. The Kreielsheimer Bros Crown Diamonds whiskey is a decent bottle. Your example is an amber glass, hand blown tooled top bottle. I've had a few for sale in past years, and they are a decent and desired bottle, not rare, but not common either. The Kreielsheimer Brothers (Simon, Jacob, and Max) began business in Seattle, Washington Territory, in 1887. They put out some early clear glass embossed whiskey fifths, followed later by the amber bottles (ca late 1890's-1909), of which there are several varients. Kreielsheimer Bros went out of business in 1909.

David

thebottlevault
Frequent Bubbler
Posts: 26
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:12 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby thebottlevault » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:05 pm

Hi Dive Monkey! Your neat greenish amber bottle is the classic Japanese Beer or Sake bottle, with both English and Japanese characters embossed. It most likely dates from the late teens to late 1920's, and looks like a crown top bottle. With the sea commerce between Asia and the Western United States, I am not surprised that you found this one underwater! I have dug similar bottles at a Chinese Boarding House site near the old Pacific American Fisheries Cannery in Bellingham WA., where their bunkhouse used to sit. Not much value, but for sure a historic bottle.

And a note about black glass... black glass DOES NOT pass light, it is really dark, and could be a very dark green, amber, or even purple color. Your color is more of a dark olive amber, but since it does pass light fairly well, would not be considered black glass.

David

User avatar
bucknaked
Submariner
Posts: 515
Joined: Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:14 pm

Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby bucknaked » Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:17 am

aND HERE IS ONE MORE Thanks Matt
Attachments
DSC00617.JPG
DSC00618.JPG
Crown Dimamiod


Return to “Everything Else”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 2 guests