The Bottle Thread

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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Tom Nic » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:21 pm

I found this old straight sided Coca Cola bottle yesterday. The process of searching for info on my phone was pretty frustrating, so I will post here. The initial cleaning is almost done, but these pics were taken at the dive site.

There was a patent date of 1922 on the bottle, but unfortunately I didn't take a picture of that. I can post it later if our bottle expert can't ID it from the pics below.

Thanks again for your time in doing this thread!

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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Scubie Doo » Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:56 pm

thebottlevault wrote:Hi Scubie Doo! Yours is an older bottle, dating from the 1890's -1900, hand blown in a mold. It is a food bottle, most likely peppersauce, relish, etc. I've dug these before, they are fairly common, no real value, but still a cool diving find. I like the water wash and light iridescence in the bottle!


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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby thebottlevault » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:10 pm

Hi Dusty 2, you are correct, but you can actually break down the dating of the bottle a bit more. Generally speaking, if the mold lines fade out before the top of the bottle, then the bottle has been blown into a mold, usually by a glassblower. On most bottles dating from the late 1880's and OLDER, the bottle's top is actually APPLIED to the top of the neck, with a separate small amount of glass, then shaped into the correct form. You can tell because the hot glass will drip or run down the neck a bit, and hence the correct terms "Applied Top" or "Gloppy Top." Beginning in the 1880's (there is some overlap between the methods), the top of the bottle was "TOOLED" from the glass ALREADY there in the neck, hence the correct term "Tooled Top." Both methods used are indications of a hand blown bottle.

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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Dusty2 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:01 pm

thebottlevault wrote:Hi Scubie Doo! Yours is an older bottle, dating from the 1890's -1900, hand blown in a mold. It is a food bottle, most likely peppersauce, relish, etc. I've dug these before, they are fairly common, no real value, but still a cool diving find. I like the water wash and light iridescence in the bottle!


An additional bit of info to help you bottle jockeys judge the age of your bottles. The seams on the sides of the bottle tell you that it is blown into a mold and the lack of seems on the crown tell you it has a hand applied crown which means that it was added by hand after the bottle was blown this is how the date was determined. I am by far no expert these are just things my bottle addict dive buddy has taught me about the bottles he finds.

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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby KneeDeep » Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:48 pm

My Lord, what a wealth of info you are David!!!!
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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby thebottlevault » Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:40 pm

Hi Scubie Doo! Yours is an older bottle, dating from the 1890's -1900, hand blown in a mold. It is a food bottle, most likely peppersauce, relish, etc. I've dug these before, they are fairly common, no real value, but still a cool diving find. I like the water wash and light iridescence in the bottle!

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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby thebottlevault » Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:38 pm

Hi Chris, you bottles date from the 1930's -1940's. Here is some info...

1. The clear bottle is a food / relish / sauce bottle, looks like a screw top or modified cap top. The "H/A" marking on the underside of the base represents the Hazel-Atlas Glass Co., one of the largest producers of food bottles, cosmetics, and fruit jars in the USA.
2. The second bottle, amber glass, looks like a tab top medicine or perhaps poison bottle. Also has the "HA" marking on the underside of the base.
3. The green bottle is indeed a liquor bottle. Has the "Federal Law Prohibits Resale etc etc" on the shoulder of the bottle. I believe the ARROYO P. R. stands for Arroyo Puerto Rico, so perhaps this one was a wine or rum bottle.
Nothing rare or valuable but still cool!

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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Scubie Doo » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:43 pm

Found at the Tacoma waterfront with Matt several weeks ago. There are no markings and I have no clue what to photograph for you :-) I found it at about 40'. Dimensions are 2-5/16" x 1-9/16" x 7-11/16"

Any history would be very much appreciated.
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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby greenacarina » Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:01 pm

Here are a couple weird bottles I have sitting around. Always been curious how they started life.
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The brown bottle and clear bottle are both smaller than my hand. The green bottle is close to the size of a fifth of liquor.

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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby thebottlevault » Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:51 pm

Hi BuckNaked! A neat bottle, not valuable but still historically cool! The YUNCKER BOTTLING CO can trace it's history back to 1889, when John Frank YUNCKER opened his bottling works at 519 South G Street in Tacoma. In 1890, George H. Hanlin became a partner in the business and the address became 1313 Tacoma Avenue. They remained together as partners until 1900 when George Hanlin split off to become proprietor of the Pacific Soda Works in Tacoma. J. F. Yuncker continued as sole owner until 1911, when William Hiteman was added into the ownership. The business continued with other partners until the death of J F Yuncker in 1923.

Your bottle dates from about 1910-15, I cannot tell from the photos if it is a hand blown crown top or a machine made example. Look at the mold lines going up the sides of the bottles... if they fade away before the top is reached, the bottle is hand blown with a top tooled by a glassblower. If the mold lines continue up and over the lip, the bottle is machine made. There are early Hutchinson soda bottles (with the blob looking top) from J F YUNCKER and the YUNCKER BOTTLING CO, that date from the 1889-1905 time period.

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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Norris » Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:06 am

Welcome to the club Dave. Thanks for your willingness to help with some bottle knowledge. I fear the day when DiverDave finds this thread.
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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby bucknaked » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:20 am

Bottles says yunker bottling co tacmoma wash.
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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby BASSMAN » Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:16 pm

Oooooh? :burntchef:
This is going to be fun!
I will have to get a few pics up of a few bottles too!

Thanks!
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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby thebottlevault » Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:05 pm

Hah! Thanks for the kind words and am looking forward to seeing some great finds!

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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Alexitt » Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:46 pm

Wow is right!!! That was fast... I really didn't expect much in the way of value but I really appreciate the info... You Sir, Rock!!! And I too hope you don't burn out too quickly here... Some of the other Folks on the board have some very cool bottles and I hope they share them... Lots of history out there just waiting to be discovered... Thanks again...

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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby coulterboy » Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:31 pm

Wow! Very impressive Mr. Bottlevault. Very quick responses to the inquiries. Reminds me of the TV show, "The Antique Road show" or whatever it is. Your expertise will be highly sought after on this board, guaranteed. Hopefully, you don't get tired answering the "call of duty" being the expert on bottles. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby thebottlevault » Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:16 pm

Hi Alexitt, some neat bottles, nothing rare or valuable but here is some info on each...

The first bottle is a Whiskey Fifth, 4/5 quart, and dates from the 1950's. It has the Federal Law Prohibits Reuse of this bottle etc on the shoulder. This embossing was added to bottles after prohibition was repealed in the early 1930's, and was removed from bottles in 1968. Your bottle has a 1952 date code.... mold number 83 / glass maker mark / 52 (year code).

Your aqua crown top soda bottle is from the Pacific and Puget Sound bottling works of Seattle. This company began business in Seattle, Washington Territory beginning in 1883. There are early Washington Territory marked Hutchinson soda bottles from this firm, and paneled base Hutchinson sodas that have the blob top and spring wire inside. This soda works remained in business until 1919, when the dying firm was purchased by James Sourapas, and merged with his Georgetown Bottling Works. This "mug base" or paneled base crown top dates from about 1910.

Your FITCH bottle is a barber supply bottle. I believe there were located in Chicago or New York. They also sold hair tonics and a very large line of shampoo, scalp cleaner, bay rum, and barber bottles etc etc. Your bottle dates from the late 1915 - 1920 era.

And the classic blue Bromo Seltzer bottle was made by the tens of millions, as it was a very successful "Headache Cure" when first sold. The earliest examples have a more narrow neck than your example, and are handblown with tooled lip. Your bottle is machine made, ca 1910. Still, an attractive bottle as the cobalt blue glass is a good looking color!

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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Alexitt » Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:28 pm

This is very cool!!! Our very own Bottle Expert!!! Welcome to the Board... Thanks Doc for bringing him in...


So I too have a few bottles here for you, but I forgot to put a tape or ruler in the shots...
So here are the sizes...
AA 4/5ths qt. 10" tall (found at Gig Harbor)
Pacific&Puget Sound 8.5" tall (found at Mukilteo)
FW Fitch 6" tall (found at Redondo)
Bromo 4" tall (found at Mukilteo)

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Here's the first one...

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#3 Pre 1945?

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I'm thinking Hair tonic or Aftershave

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Note the little clam shell in the bottom... Not as nice as Bassmans bottle but Hey...

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And #4

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And here's a little blue marnacle I found...
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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby thebottlevault » Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:32 pm

Hi H20doctor! You are right on on the first bottle. It looks like a typical cylindrical aqua medicine bottle, hand blown with cork top. These originally had a paper label to depict and describe the product, most likely a type of remedy or cure.

The latter bottle is super common, have dug them by the hundreds at times, it is a blob top style ale, stout, or mineral water bottle. These have no embossing but come with paper label. I had a chance years ago to dig a dump in downtown Vancouver BC with a big trackhoe, and sometimes the bucket scoop would be just full of these bottles. They date from the late 1890's to about 1910.

And thanks for the kind words of welcome from everyone! Hope I can help out with any bottle history.

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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Waynne Fowler » Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:34 pm

This is gonna be a fun thread!.... thanks David... and u too H2Odoc for sending him this way.
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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby H20doctor » Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:25 pm

found this little blue gem in Sitka seems to be a medicine bottle of some sort..? with a lost cork top..
Has no writing or marks :(

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This Green Blob Top was given to me By sitkadiver Dave height is 10 inches

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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby spatman » Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:49 am

Thanks for the info, David!
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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Gdog » Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:14 am

Welcome David! I look forward to finding something worthy of posting for you to look at.

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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby Dusty2 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:04 pm

Nice to have a bottle expert here! makes things much easier for us no knowledge collectors.

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Re: The Bottle Thread

Postby thebottlevault » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:32 pm

Hi Spatman, happy to help out! You are correct, this is a large wine / liquor bottle with Washington State Liquor Control Board seal near the front heel of the bottle. Being screw top, it would date from the post prohibition era most likely early 1940's-1950's. The bottle is machine made, you can see what is called an "Owens Ring" in the glass on the underside of the base. Michael Owens invented the first successful automatic bottle making machine in 1903. It took many years to come into common use, but pretty much every bottle was machine made by the time this bottle was produced. This ring in the glass on the underside of the base is a telltale characteristic of the Automatic Bottle Machine. Sorry to say the bottle has no real collector value but is still a cool looking large bottle!


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