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Re: PADI Nitrox

Post by Joshua Smith » Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:52 pm

2loud4u wrote:I could agree with Peter if I said I wanted to borrow the book, photocopy the entire book and use that for my class . I agree that would be wrong. I honestly dont see a problem with copying the KR and turning that in.



I've been through this one before. PADI does, indeed, want to sell one copy of each of their texts for each individual seeking a cert, be it OW, Nitrox, Rescue, or any other cert they offer. Their OFFICIAL position is that original- not photocopied- worksheets and knowledge reviews, found in their manuals- must be turned in to an instructor in order to recieve the cert. I'm not expressing an opinion one way or another about this; just explaining it as it was explained to me, when I took OW with my wife. Our instructor told us that we had to buy two copies of the manual in order to get two C-cards. You might want to check with YOUR instructor about this......
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Re: PADI Nitrox

Post by Norris » Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:43 am

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2loud4u you may want to delete this thread which clearly defines your outlaw intentions. Leaving a trail is the best way to get caught.
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Re: PADI Nitrox

Post by WASP7000 » Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:31 am

This thread just got ridiculous. Now we're talking about copyright violations? Just....wow....
Not talking about copying the book and selling it, we're talking about 2 people doing knowledge reviews from the same book. And writing in the book and ripping out the pages to turn them in makes even less sense. There's text on the backs of some of the knowledge reviews, so you're just destroying the book.

I made copies of my knowledge reviews (no actually my instructor did) and the copyright police haven't come breaking my door down yet. I'm a pretty morally sound person and don't feel like I did anything wrong by not tearing apart my book.

Once again, you can borrow my book (just don't write in it) ;)

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Re: PADI Nitrox

Post by 2loud4u » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:54 am

I could agree with Peter if I said I wanted to borrow the book, photocopy the entire book and use that for my class . I agree that would be wrong. I honestly dont see a problem with copying the KR and turning that in.
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Re: PADI Nitrox

Post by Nwbrewer » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:37 am

Is it a violation of copyright to copy the question by hand with the answer onto a separate sheet of paper to turn in? If so every high school and college student in america is in violation of copyright, since I think EVERY class I took in college required me to do this for my homework. I guess I don't see how this is different.

FWIW with my NAUI Nitrox class I was only required to submit an answer sheet, nothing else.
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Re: PADI Nitrox

Post by Sounder » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:33 am

2loud4u wrote:
Peter Guy wrote:
BTW, we have two copies of the NAUI Nitrox text because we were required to each have our own text.


I didnt really ask for a lecture, but to borrow a book...but since I got the the lecture let me explain...again...

Through all our Padi courses thus far, we never marked in our 2 sets of books. We made copies of the knowledge reviews and used the copies to write on and turn in. Then we have an extra book laying around that will not get used. Instead of wasting a book, I would like to buy one for us to keep, and borrow the second book.

There is no reason whatsoever to require a second book in a situation like this except to get more money.

Am I to assume you buy 2 copies of every book you read in case your wife wants to read it as well. That makes no sense to me.

By the way, since you have 2 sets, would you mind loaning us one? ;)


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Hey Brendan - Peter's right. Making photocopies of books like that is a violation of copyright law. Buying a book and sharing that book is not. Does it happen everyday? Sure. It is right? Absolutely not.

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Re: PADI Nitrox

Post by 2loud4u » Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:59 am

Peter Guy wrote:
BTW, we have two copies of the NAUI Nitrox text because we were required to each have our own text.


I didnt really ask for a lecture, but to borrow a book...but since I got the the lecture let me explain...again...

Through all our Padi courses thus far, we never marked in our 2 sets of books. We made copies of the knowledge reviews and used the copies to write on and turn in. Then we have an extra book laying around that will not get used. Instead of wasting a book, I would like to buy one for us to keep, and borrow the second book.

There is no reason whatsoever to require a second book in a situation like this except to get more money.

Am I to assume you buy 2 copies of every book you read in case your wife wants to read it as well. That makes no sense to me.

By the way, since you have 2 sets, would you mind loaning us one? ;)


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Re: PADI Nitrox

Post by Peter Guy » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:57 pm

I don't know why it would be a requirement to buy a second set you won't use besides to get more money out of you.

Or maybe to keep people from violating the copyright of the book?

Doing the Knowledge Reviews is, or at least in my mind should be, a very important part of the class. Each person has to do their own KR's and, unfortunately, there is only one set of KR's in each book. SO, unless you believe it is OK to violate the copyright of PADI, you need to buy your own book -- otherwise, you won't be able to do your own KR's. You could always phone PADI and ask for permission to copy the KR's for the spouse!

BTW, we have two copies of the NAUI Nitrox text because we were required to each have our own text.

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Re: PADI Nitrox

Post by Nwbrewer » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:04 pm

WASP7000 wrote: I don't know why it would be a requirement to buy a second set you won't use besides to get more money out of you.


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Re: PADI Nitrox

Post by WASP7000 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:52 pm

What comes with the book is well obviously the book, and 3 plastic cards, 2 are dive tables for 32% and 36% EANx and the other is the EAD table. I would think all you would need is to copy the knowledge reviews from one book and just share the tables. I don't know why it would be a requirement to buy a second set you won't use besides to get more money out of you.

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Re: PADI Nitrox

Post by 2loud4u » Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:41 pm

Mattleycrue76 wrote:What is it exactly that you need? If it's just the book minus the knowledge reviews I have one for ya. It has the little boxes in the excersize section already checked though.


Matt,

I just need whatever it is I need for the class... Thats about it. I can probably make copies of the knowledge reviews out of the new book I buy.

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Re: PADI Nitrox

Post by WASP7000 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:56 am

2loud4u wrote:
WASP7000 wrote:Just took it a couple weeks ago, you can borrow mine. How do you want me to get them to you? And FWIW, there was a couple in the class I took that used the same materials. Not sure what your instructors requirements are though.


Looks like you are a ways away from me, but I am not taking it for about a week. I would be willing to send you some $ and you could mail it to me. Or we will be in Federal Way next wednesday, we could just shoot down there and meet you if that works.


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Yeah just let me know, I can mail it to you or whatever. I don't get up north too often. We're diving sund rock on sunday... I know that's a long drive for a dive, but it's an option.

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Re: PADI Nitrox

Post by Mattleycrue76 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:53 am

What is it exactly that you need? If it's just the book minus the knowledge reviews I have one for ya. It has the little boxes in the excersize section already checked though.
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Re: PADI Nitrox

Post by 2loud4u » Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:46 am

WASP7000 wrote:Just took it a couple weeks ago, you can borrow mine. How do you want me to get them to you? And FWIW, there was a couple in the class I took that used the same materials. Not sure what your instructors requirements are though.


Looks like you are a ways away from me, but I am not taking it for about a week. I would be willing to send you some $ and you could mail it to me. Or we will be in Federal Way next wednesday, we could just shoot down there and meet you if that works.


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Re: PADI Nitrox

Post by 2loud4u » Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:37 am

I asked the instructor that, and he told me he has padi rules he must follow. So, I have always done that, and ended up with an extra OW book, that I was able to give out, and an AOW book still in plastic because we used just the one. I dont mind buying one so I can keep it in case I need to refer back to it at some point, but 2 is a waste of money and materials.
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Re: PADI Nitrox

Post by dieseldude » Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:24 am

I would think that if you copied the knowledge reviews(unanswered) & then filled them out individually & turned them in, you shouldnt have a problem with having one book between you.
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Re: PADI Nitrox

Post by WASP7000 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:40 am

Just took it a couple weeks ago, you can borrow mine. How do you want me to get them to you? And FWIW, there was a couple in the class I took that used the same materials. Not sure what your instructors requirements are though.

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PADI Nitrox

Post by 2loud4u » Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:17 am

Does anybody have an extra set of Padi Nitrox classroom materials they would be willing to let us borrow for our class? We are going to take the class, and dont want to have to buy 2 sets of books when we only use one.

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