Redundant air
- Joshua Smith
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Redundant air
I've been thinking a lot about adding a redundant air source to my rig- I'm not ready to go with doubles yet, but I'm playing around with the idea of adding a 30 cf pony bottle with it's own reg and spg. What do you guys think- worthwhile, or a waste of money? I feel pretty confident in my gear, and I always dive with a buddy, but still.....it all boils down to that one O ring and first stage, and I have been seperated from my buddy a few times.....usually not for long, but still........ Am I being paranoid, or too paranoid, at any rate?
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I like the 30 becuase it is more air at depth and can be used (if planned) as a deco bottle. they are ussually 40s but it is great for your piece of mind, I want one as well
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SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR
ANYTHING, BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE
STAIRS.
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Hey Nailer, you know what they say, "Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean that they are not out to get you!" There are sports where redundancy is not being paranoid, it's being smart! (Sky diving, flying, scuba, etc.)
What can be bad about an alternate air source?
A pony and reg will be my next "large" scuba gear purchase. I too dive with a buddy, and WILL NOT dive alone, but IMHO the peace of mind plus a chance to play with some deco gas makes a pony a worthwhile purchase, particularly for those who dive alot. Redundancy seems to always be a good idea in critical scuba equipment (lights, air, etc.)
What can be bad about an alternate air source?
A pony and reg will be my next "large" scuba gear purchase. I too dive with a buddy, and WILL NOT dive alone, but IMHO the peace of mind plus a chance to play with some deco gas makes a pony a worthwhile purchase, particularly for those who dive alot. Redundancy seems to always be a good idea in critical scuba equipment (lights, air, etc.)
Hey Nailer:
Like the grate Bob B said Go for it there is no such thing as to much air in a Out of Air emergencey. I have been thinking I should get my self a little Pony bottle as well I am doing more and moe Solo diving these days I did one at Sund rock infact just befor heading home . after the Club BBQ last weekend.
Wife ask me about this verry same isue. so now I am looking for a pony as well I was thinking about a 30 cf. as well so if you get yours first let me know how you like it .
Sparky
Like the grate Bob B said Go for it there is no such thing as to much air in a Out of Air emergencey. I have been thinking I should get my self a little Pony bottle as well I am doing more and moe Solo diving these days I did one at Sund rock infact just befor heading home . after the Club BBQ last weekend.
Wife ask me about this verry same isue. so now I am looking for a pony as well I was thinking about a 30 cf. as well so if you get yours first let me know how you like it .
Sparky
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Will do, Sparky. I'm interested in doing a solo dive here and there eventually, myself, but I won't even consider it without a seperate air source- you're one O ring away from drowning!
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What's the need to go solo diving Nailer? You have plenty of good buds to go diving with at the drop of a hat (okay, yesterday was a fluke)Nailer99 wrote:Will do, Sparky. I'm interested in doing a solo dive here and there eventually, myself, but I won't even consider it without a seperate air source- you're one O ring away from drowning!
I had a whole dive club back out of the last dive of the day on me once and found my self still wanting to dive and no dive buddyCalvin Tang wrote:What's the need to go solo diving Nailer? You have plenty of good buds to go diving with at the drop of a hat (okay, yesterday was a fluke)Nailer99 wrote:Will do, Sparky. I'm interested in doing a solo dive here and there eventually, myself, but I won't even consider it without a seperate air source- you're one O ring away from drowning!
So I dove the North wall for a short shallow dive and made a grate dive to 54 feet for 30 min as long as you avoid overheads and tangle hazards Solo diving can be verry funn and rewordeing .
Sparky
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Lol! I love diving w/ my buds and meeting new people! But....there's some attraction to the solo deal for me- I was fascinated by that guy at Sund Rock last weekend, doing solos to 200' and all. There's something about that independence and self-reliance I admire. I will try it, someday, when I'm ready, but I'm not that much of a loner- I'll be diving with you guys until you get a restraining order on me!
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I just called in that restraining order Nailer, so you should get that pony as soon as possible. No really I did, Better paint that van a different color the Padi police are out for you. ](*,)
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Maverick
Diving. . . is an active physical form of meditation. It is so silent- You're like a thought.
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR
ANYTHING, BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE
STAIRS.
Diving. . . is an active physical form of meditation. It is so silent- You're like a thought.
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR
ANYTHING, BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE
STAIRS.
Solo diving huh!! that will get you alot of different opinions. I have done several solo dives, sometimes you cant find a dive buddy, sometimes you dont want a dive buddy! The way I see it most the time your same ocean buddy diving anyway. The one thing you should consider if you do solo dive, let some one know where your diving at.. Juuust incase..Nailer99 wrote:Will do, Sparky. I'm interested in doing a solo dive here and there eventually,
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[quote="Grateful Diver"]Redundant air is never a bad idea if you use it properly. I sling an AL40 at times ... it's surprising how inobtrusive it is in the water.
... Bob (Grateful Diver)[/quote]
I agree with Bob - redundant air is not a bad idea if used properly. However, there are ways redundant air can be used in an unsafe manner. For instance, choosing to switch to your redundant air source at the wrong time can leave you without air for inflation and at risk of drowning. Also, your buddy is your main redundant source - and you are his. If you are diving with someone who does not have a pony but you have become reliant on your pony and let your buddy skills suffer - your dive partner is now the one at risk.
I occasionally dive with a pony (slung like Bob's) especially when I am taking pictures. I just like to keep in mind that it does not insure my safety.
Just remember, if you are watching your air supply or applying "rock bottom" to your deep dives, you and your buddy should have no problem reaching the surface safely with or without a pony.
Jeanna
... Bob (Grateful Diver)[/quote]
I agree with Bob - redundant air is not a bad idea if used properly. However, there are ways redundant air can be used in an unsafe manner. For instance, choosing to switch to your redundant air source at the wrong time can leave you without air for inflation and at risk of drowning. Also, your buddy is your main redundant source - and you are his. If you are diving with someone who does not have a pony but you have become reliant on your pony and let your buddy skills suffer - your dive partner is now the one at risk.
I occasionally dive with a pony (slung like Bob's) especially when I am taking pictures. I just like to keep in mind that it does not insure my safety.
Just remember, if you are watching your air supply or applying "rock bottom" to your deep dives, you and your buddy should have no problem reaching the surface safely with or without a pony.
Jeanna
Speaking of pony bottles, does anyone have, or know of, a good system for mounting a pony to a single/bcd set up?
I've looked at the X Bracket and some others but thought I'd ask The Club for some ideas or opinions. Bob slings his. I heard that but I THINK I'd like to mount a skinny 30 to my AL80.
Thoughts?
Dave
I've looked at the X Bracket and some others but thought I'd ask The Club for some ideas or opinions. Bob slings his. I heard that but I THINK I'd like to mount a skinny 30 to my AL80.
Thoughts?
Dave
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I forget the name, but I was just eyeballing a really neat bracket for this that mounts directly to your tank straps- manufactured locally. They have them at the Seattle UWS, and they're going to be on sale in a couple weeks at the diver's fair! I'll check on the brand name next time I'm there.
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There's going to be some sweet deals on just about everything. I wrote a blog entry on the upcoming diver's fair.
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Most likely the quick draw bracket from Ultimate Products ...
http://www.quickdrawbracket.com/news.ivnu
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http://www.quickdrawbracket.com/news.ivnu
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Bob, I thought you were DIR trained? Slinging a AL40 full of air is not DIR and I am a little confused at how you could recommend that or a pony bottle??? A slung bottle is great to have but the gas in it is not readily accessible. You still need to turn the bottle on and deploy the hose. Solo diving is not DIR but lets put that aside for now. If you want to dive solo that's fine with me but I would recommend doing it with doubles. If your back is giving you trouble then you might want to consider twin HP80's. They don't weigh much more than an E8 130!
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Hmmm- it looked like that, but the name doesn't sound right, somehow. The one I was looking at was for a 30, too- but this one looks nice as well! Thanks for the link!Grateful Diver wrote:Most likely the quick draw bracket from Ultimate Products ...
http://www.quickdrawbracket.com/news.ivnu
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