Undergarment suggestion
Undergarment suggestion
Hello everybody,
new to PNW diving, looking forward to getting in the water here soon. I have many questions lined up but I'll start by asking what the adequate undergarment should be. I only dove warmer waters (62F and above) and my Pinnacle Black Ice (4mm crushed neoprene) with a tshirt was enough. I use a 7mm dry hood and 5mm wet gloves. Any suggestions?
Thank you!
new to PNW diving, looking forward to getting in the water here soon. I have many questions lined up but I'll start by asking what the adequate undergarment should be. I only dove warmer waters (62F and above) and my Pinnacle Black Ice (4mm crushed neoprene) with a tshirt was enough. I use a 7mm dry hood and 5mm wet gloves. Any suggestions?
Thank you!
Re: Undergarment suggestion
Contact John Rawlings on this Board, He is a dealer for the WEEZLE undergarment. there is no other one to buy, NO OTHER ONE TO BUY. don't waste your money on trying other brands BUY A WEEZLE. Plus John is super cool for the he is. Keeps you warm, dries so fast if your suit floods, wicks like nothing else, super light.
One piece of advice, buy it a bit big if you are betweed sizes. Oh did i mention they are THE BEST, THE WARMEST, and John is the NICEST EVER
BJ
One piece of advice, buy it a bit big if you are betweed sizes. Oh did i mention they are THE BEST, THE WARMEST, and John is the NICEST EVER
BJ
Maverick
Diving. . . is an active physical form of meditation. It is so silent- You're like a thought.
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR
ANYTHING, BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE
STAIRS.
Diving. . . is an active physical form of meditation. It is so silent- You're like a thought.
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR
ANYTHING, BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE
STAIRS.
- SeattleYates
- Aquaphile
- Posts: 140
- Joined: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:18 pm
Re: Undergarment suggestion
I'll second BJ's recommendation of Weezle (and of John as the source)!
Bruce Yates
Photography: http://www.UnderwaterReflections.com
"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. No use being a damned fool about it." WC Fields
Photography: http://www.UnderwaterReflections.com
"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. No use being a damned fool about it." WC Fields
Re: Undergarment suggestion
The hood and gloves should be fine... until you decide you want to go dry there as well. Then it's a whole 'nuther can of worms. Welcome to the PNW and NWDC. Come out and dive with us a bit and see the different combinations available and in use.
Re: Undergarment suggestion
There are options. Not that wheezle's aren't the cats meow and for sure John is tops but hey some guys get by with sweats or long johns though I would not recommend either. If your around the south end checkout Tacoma Scuba. They have a pretty good selection and good prices.
Last edited by Dusty2 on Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
http://dustys-lights.com/, An awesome light at an unbelievably low price
Dusty's Lights on facebook
http://underthesound.smugmug.com/
Dusty's Lights on facebook
http://underthesound.smugmug.com/
Re: Undergarment suggestion
The black ice by pinnacle is a drysuit.....
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using Tapatalk
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using Tapatalk
- Attachments
-
- pinnacledrysuit.jpg (12.76 KiB) Viewed 3414 times
-Ron T.
"When I'm 80 I'll take up real diving, which is done in a pub..." Ray Ives.
253-227-0856
My Dive Pics...
https://www.facebook.com/RETOPPPHOTOGRAPHY
"When I'm 80 I'll take up real diving, which is done in a pub..." Ray Ives.
253-227-0856
My Dive Pics...
https://www.facebook.com/RETOPPPHOTOGRAPHY
Re: Undergarment suggestion
The Black Ice is a fairly thick dry suit and has a wool lining. You may not need the absolute thickest undergarment there is out there. Weezle makes several weights of undergarment. In addition, there is the 4th Element undergarment, which is like a multi-layered sweatshirt -- that's what my husband uses, and it has the advantage of being in two pieces and being safely and repeatedly washable. (I don't like it, because it isn't warm enough, but I don't have a thick compressed neo dry suit.)
The Weezles are light and soft and snuggly, though . . .
The Weezles are light and soft and snuggly, though . . .
"Sometimes, when your world is going sideways, the second best thing to everything working out right, is knowing you are loved..." ljjames
Re: Undergarment suggestion
I'm currently using the Fourth Element Arctic set and found that it keeps me just as warm as the Weezle Extreme I had been using previously. They are both great products, and as long as they fit you properly, will keep you warm and happy, especially under a 4mil layer of neoprene.
Re: Undergarment suggestion
Thanks everybody, much appreciated.
Re: Undergarment suggestion
How do you like the Black Ice suit? It sounds like the wool lining is a definite help in keeping you warm, but does it get ikcy after a while? (Technical term, I know.)
And most people I know use dry gloves, but I've stayed with my 5mm wet gloves. I've seen too many failures with dry gloves to deal with the hassle, and my hands stay pretty toasty with the ones I have.
And most people I know use dry gloves, but I've stayed with my 5mm wet gloves. I've seen too many failures with dry gloves to deal with the hassle, and my hands stay pretty toasty with the ones I have.
Kelly
Re: Undergarment suggestion
Dry gloves failing??????
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using Tapatalk
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using Tapatalk
-Ron T.
"When I'm 80 I'll take up real diving, which is done in a pub..." Ray Ives.
253-227-0856
My Dive Pics...
https://www.facebook.com/RETOPPPHOTOGRAPHY
"When I'm 80 I'll take up real diving, which is done in a pub..." Ray Ives.
253-227-0856
My Dive Pics...
https://www.facebook.com/RETOPPPHOTOGRAPHY
Re: Undergarment suggestion
You wouldn't know anything about them leaking, would you Ron????cardiver wrote:Dry gloves failing??????
Kelly
Re: Undergarment suggestion
I hope not to after my new Si Tech rings arrive......ktb wrote:You wouldn't know anything about them leaking, would you Ron????cardiver wrote:Dry gloves failing??????
-Ron T.
"When I'm 80 I'll take up real diving, which is done in a pub..." Ray Ives.
253-227-0856
My Dive Pics...
https://www.facebook.com/RETOPPPHOTOGRAPHY
"When I'm 80 I'll take up real diving, which is done in a pub..." Ray Ives.
253-227-0856
My Dive Pics...
https://www.facebook.com/RETOPPPHOTOGRAPHY
Re: Undergarment suggestion
When I buy a new undergarment, it will be a weezle, I've only heard good things about them and I've tried several on and they do seem like the very best.
I hated my USIA undergarment. Ever since, I've managed layering Patagonia fleece and it's worked well enough. The advantages to doing layers is that you can add and subtract depending on the time of year and fluctuations in weight and it's less restrictive.
g
I hated my USIA undergarment. Ever since, I've managed layering Patagonia fleece and it's worked well enough. The advantages to doing layers is that you can add and subtract depending on the time of year and fluctuations in weight and it's less restrictive.
g
Gill Envy
...because we weren't born with gills!
...because we weren't born with gills!
- jeffgerritsen
- Dive-aholic
- Posts: 276
- Joined: Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:03 am
Re: Undergarment suggestion
I have a 3.5 mm crushed neoprene Waterproof Draco drysuit. I find with standard military issue polypropylene thermals and a USIA single layer fleece I'm good to go down to 48 degrees. The military issue polypropylene wicks the sweet away from my body and the USIA fleece adds the need insulation layer. Did I mention they were real cheap?
Set of military polypro's $32, used USIA fleece $25, enjoyment of the underwater knowing I've saved a bunch of money - priceless.
Set of military polypro's $32, used USIA fleece $25, enjoyment of the underwater knowing I've saved a bunch of money - priceless.
- Waynne Fowler
- I've Got Gills
- Posts: 1043
- Joined: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:57 am
Re: Undergarment suggestion
where did you get your Draco from... if I may askjeffgerritsen wrote:I have a 3.5 mm crushed neoprene Waterproof Draco drysuit.
Ripper of drysuits, mocker of divers...there are no atheist divers in a mistimed Deception Pass dive. Jeremy
Re: Undergarment suggestion
Simply scuba carries them. They are in the UK and they have great prices/ customer service.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using Tapatalk
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using Tapatalk
-Ron T.
"When I'm 80 I'll take up real diving, which is done in a pub..." Ray Ives.
253-227-0856
My Dive Pics...
https://www.facebook.com/RETOPPPHOTOGRAPHY
"When I'm 80 I'll take up real diving, which is done in a pub..." Ray Ives.
253-227-0856
My Dive Pics...
https://www.facebook.com/RETOPPPHOTOGRAPHY
Re: Undergarment suggestion
For those contemplating a Weezle -
**Amazing undergarments.
**If you run cold or will use it primarily in the Winter get the Extreme PLUS, not just the Extreme.
The Extreme is fine, and works great for lots of folks through the Winter. However... at the end of 70 minutes underwater in the Winter even the extreme starts to get a bit chilly. I'd hate to drop 3 to 4 scuba units for an undergarment and them be COLD... even a little bit.
Heck, buy one of each!
**Amazing undergarments.
**If you run cold or will use it primarily in the Winter get the Extreme PLUS, not just the Extreme.
The Extreme is fine, and works great for lots of folks through the Winter. However... at the end of 70 minutes underwater in the Winter even the extreme starts to get a bit chilly. I'd hate to drop 3 to 4 scuba units for an undergarment and them be COLD... even a little bit.
Heck, buy one of each!
More Pics Than You Have Time To Look AT
"Anyone who thinks this place is over moderated is bat-crazy anarchist." -Ben, Airsix
"Warning: No dive masters are going to be there, Just a bunch of old fat guys taking pictures of fish." -Bassman
"Anyone who thinks this place is over moderated is bat-crazy anarchist." -Ben, Airsix
"Warning: No dive masters are going to be there, Just a bunch of old fat guys taking pictures of fish." -Bassman
Re: Undergarment suggestion
I dive a 5 mil compressed neoprene drysuit with a 100 weight polartec fleece jumpsuit. I am very infrequently cold... my hands are the first thing to get cold after 45 mins of diving, and i have a fleece vest i can put over for extra warmth. The 100 weight fleece is VERY thin.
The weezle and fourth element undergarments as mentioned are very warm, but likely too warm for a neoprene suit. They are more frequently used by someone in a laminate suit, tri-lam or other.
The weezle and fourth element undergarments as mentioned are very warm, but likely too warm for a neoprene suit. They are more frequently used by someone in a laminate suit, tri-lam or other.
Thomas Miller
- trevorrowe
- Extreme Diving Machine
- Posts: 427
- Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:08 am
Re: Undergarment suggestion
+1 on the weezle extreme plus. I did an 80 min dive last week at the Muk in it and stayed warm until the last ~5 mins.