pogiguy05 wrote:Which one did you miss?
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pogiguy05 wrote:Which one did you miss?
Again...there was nothing dangerous about this dive. The op didn't say "We are going to 100 feet with no ponies and plan to spend an hour or to 500 psi whichever comes first. People then, made their "what if" assumptions and threw their OW guidelines at the poster while at the same time tightening their super SCUBA capes. At no time did the OP ask for guidance and if someone was that concerned maybe PM the op and ask about it.rjarnold wrote:I don't think I'm missing the point at all - what if this person was newer to diving and didn't know that diving to 100 feet on an ally 80 was considered by some to not be the best choice? Do I have to specify in every post I write that if someone thinks that I have an error in my calculations they should feel free to comment? Is it so hard for someone to post that they understand the risks of the their proposed plan? Some peoples lives may have been saved if someone would have stood up and said 'Hey, you know that you might be want to consider x."
well said, and i agree (even though i know its gonna happen anywaysairsix wrote: Let this serve as my standing letter of authorization. Members of Northwest Dive Club are hereby granted invitation to critique, advise, council, judge, evaluate, and peer review my diving activities in public forum and in private so long as said activities are conducted for the purpose of improving my skill, personal safety, safety of others around me, and for the enhancement of my diving and diving related experiences. These privileges remain in effect until explicitly revoked. As my friends I expect you to speak up when you see me screwing up.
"possibly unaware of".airsix wrote:If you see or hear of someone planning to do something you think puts them in a degree of peril they are possibly unaware of should we just sit silently in the name of tolerance?
If you go back and look at Tangfish's post, you'll see that the entire post is a link to NWDC's Terms Of Service, and that, yes indeed, it is so written. The way I look at it, it's cautioning us NOT to pass judgment too quickly. If someone is planning something dangerous, out of pure ignorance, it's just common sense to say something.(Although, there are polite ways to do this- "you're an idiot", and "you're gonna die" are examples of the wrong approach).rjarnold wrote:Tangfish, are you serious or was that sarcasm? Maybe I'd find that "rule" in the forum guidelines or whatever if I looked into them, but I certainly hope not.
I would think that until new divers stop visiting this board, we should always give constructive criticism (it is, afterall, how we learn and become better divers, isn't that an important goal of this board?). If someone understands gas management and still wants to do it their way, that's absolutely fine and his/her philosophy on gas management should be respected.
Ouch!Joshua Smith wrote: One thing it tells me is that he'll probably never invite anyone to go diving with him on this board again, and who could blame him?
When will that be?BASSMAN wrote:Ouch!Joshua Smith wrote: One thing it tells me is that he'll probably never invite anyone to go diving with him on this board again, and who could blame him?![]()
I would dive with him!![]()
After I'm back to diving..."Stupid Back thing!"
Since a lot of it is about the post in question, it tells me that there's something controversial about that post, not about the original poster's "benign" post. Perhaps I should have started a new thread questioning Tangfish's post, but I didn't. It seems more beneficial for such a written statement to be about not harping on a person's decision once questioned. You don't need to be a moron or a newbie to make a mistake. If I screwed up my dates and was diving somewhere in the Tacoma Narrows at a time when there was going to be a ton of current, I'd hope someone might point that out. If I replied and said that I wanted to dive during crazy current, then I'd expect everyone to respect that. At least if I died, you'd know that someone said something, and you'd know that I knew what I was heading into. I really feel that the original statement that Tangfish posted may keep people from speaking up when they probably shouldn't, and it is possible to provide better wording for what you call "scuba police" from stampeding other divers.Joshua Smith wrote:
If you go back and look at Tangfish's post, you'll see that the entire post is a link to NWDC's Terms Of Service, and that, yes indeed, it is so written. The way I look at it, it's cautioning us NOT to pass judgment too quickly. If someone is planning something dangerous, out of pure ignorance, it's just common sense to say something.(Although, there are polite ways to do this- "you're an idiot", and "you're gonna die" are examples of the wrong approach).
That said, I've seen many examples of divers getting stampeded by the scuba cops on this board. The OP wanted to do a 100' dive, and mentioned he would be using an AL 80. So what? The fact that we're now on our third page of commentary about a benign post says a lot to me. One thing it tells me is that he'll probably never invite anyone to go diving with him on this board again, and who could blame him?
Rather liberating, eh??Joshua Smith wrote:Maybe so. Feel free to take it up with the folks who run the board.
Yes, I absolutely am serious about that rule, and it's very clearly spelled out in the TOS. There are many different approaches to diving. As a result, one person or certifying agency may have a completely different standard of what is considered "safe" diving than another, even when it comes down to the color of equipment. I don't want this forum to become a venue for arguments about such inane things, and I firmly believe that every person has the right to dive the way they were instructed and/or the way that they choose to.rjarnold wrote:Tangfish, are you serious or was that sarcasm? Maybe I'd find that "rule" in the forum guidelines or whatever if I looked into them, but I certainly hope not.
I would think that until new divers stop visiting this board, we should always give constructive criticism (it is, afterall, how we learn and become better divers, isn't that an important goal of this board?). If someone understands gas management and still wants to do it their way, that's absolutely fine and his/her philosophy on gas management should be respected.
Ben, you're totally going to get yourself and all of your dive buddies killed with that attitude, man.airsix wrote: Let this serve as my standing letter of authorization. Members of Northwest Dive Club are hereby granted invitation to critique, advise, council, judge, evaluate, and peer review my diving activities in public forum and in private so long as said activities are conducted for the purpose of improving my skill, personal safety, safety of others around me, and for the enhancement of my diving and diving related experiences. These privileges remain in effect until explicitly revoked. As my friends I expect you to speak up when you see me screwing up.
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