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Type of gunnel or...?
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:04 pm
by lavachickie
I've taken a cruise through Marine Life of the Pacific Northwest but must have missed these...
What type of gunnel is this? I've seen them at Mike's Beach, also this weekend at West Wall of Pulali and Pinnacle. Beautiful dark pink/red.
Bigger sizes at
And these guys... saw them at Pinnacle. They look like someone stuck a sea cucumber in a crack and the end exploded.
Many thanks for the help!
Re: Type of gunnel or...?
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:39 pm
by oldsalt
A lot of people on this forum are better than me, but I think the top one is a Longfin Gunnel, Pholis clemensi. The bottom seems to be the extended tentacles of Cucumaria. Nice pictures.
-Curt
Re: Type of gunnel or...?
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:41 pm
by ktb
I believe it's a longfin gunnel and orange sea cucumber.
Re: Type of gunnel or...?
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:04 pm
by oldsalt
I'm relieved that Kelly agrees with me. I gave away most of my keys and guidebooks to my god-grandson who graduated from UW school of fisheries. I kept a copy of Kozloff because he signed it and gave it to me. Kozloff says the orange sea cucumber,
Cucumaria miniata, lives in crevices in rocks or under rocks piled upon one another and reveals itself only through the extended tentacles. Since my source is dated (ancient), the scientific name may have changed. They do that you know. I got some pictures of
Cucumaria last week at Sucia Island - tentacles only.
-Curt
Re: Type of gunnel or...?
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:18 pm
by Tidepool Geek
Hi,
Your gunnel seems to be a pretty good match for the Red Gunnel Pholis schulzie which is a species not often reported. It could also, as others have mentioned, be a Longfin Gunnel but I suspect that it would take a number of additional photos, including some detailed macro shots of the back and face markings, to differentiate between the two. Penpoint & Rockweed gunnels also can be red in color but I don't think they have the patterning that is shown in your excellent photograph. If you see these regularly it might be worth talking to a professional icthyologist and arranging to provide a captured specimen.
The second picture is Cucumaria miniata AKA Orange, Red, Vermillion, or Burrowing Sea Cucumber. The one in your photo has only extended its feeding tentacles about halfway. These guys are quite common in shallow water but you'll almost never see one unless it has extended its tentacles; when they're retracted the animal is very well hidden. The best time to see them is when there is a lot of phytoplankton in the water. When you do see one take a few minutes to watch it feed; the motion of the tentacles being pushed down the animal's throat one by one (to swallow the collected food) is almost mesmerizing.
Hypnotically yours,
Alex
Re: Type of gunnel or...?
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:33 pm
by ktb
I'm pretty sure it's a longfin, as it almost exactly matches the pic in Lamb and Hanby (pg. 368, photo B). Plus, the photos I could find online for Reds didn't seem to have as "busy" of a pattern of markings.
But I'm no expert . . .
Re: Type of gunnel or...?
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:18 pm
by WylerBear
My vote is for Longfin Gunnel (Pholis clemensi) and Orange Sea Cucumber (Cucumaria miniata). We saw an Orange Sea Cucumber today that had NO tentacles extended. When I shone my light on it to point it out to my student it drew itself in and as it almost disappeared from view, we got a very good look at its pentaradial symmetry of the tube feet-you could clearly see a "star" shape as it closed up. It was very cool.
Re: Type of gunnel or...?
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:36 am
by Dusty2
Tidepool Geek wrote:Hi,
Your gunnel seems to be a pretty good match for the Red Gunnel Pholis schulzie which is a species not often reported. It could also, as others have mentioned, be a Longfin Gunnel but I suspect that it would take a number of additional photos, including some detailed macro shots of the back and face markings, to differentiate between the two. Penpoint & Rockweed gunnels also can be red in color but I don't think they have the patterning that is shown in your excellent photograph. If you see these regularly it might be worth talking to a professional icthyologist and arranging to provide a captured specimen.
The second picture is Cucumaria miniata AKA Orange, Red, Vermillion, or Burrowing Sea Cucumber. The one in your photo has only extended its feeding tentacles about halfway. These guys are quite common in shallow water but you'll almost never see one unless it has extended its tentacles; when they're retracted the animal is very well hidden. The best time to see them is when there is a lot of phytoplankton in the water. When you do see one take a few minutes to watch it feed; the motion of the tentacles being pushed down the animal's throat one by one (to swallow the collected food) is almost mesmerizing.
Hypnotically yours,
Alex
Definitely a longfin gunnel. No hesitation. I see then every dive at Point Hudson.
Re: Type of gunnel or...?
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:43 pm
by Tidepool Geek
Hello again,
Dusty2 wrote: Definitely a longfin gunnel. No hesitation. I see then every dive at Point Hudson.
I stand corrected. On closer examination I think the most noticeable difference (which I managed to not notice) is the head oramentation; it seems to be more elaborate on P. schultzi than on P. clemensi.
A side note: In Coastal Fishes of the Pacific Northwest the photo that Andy Lamb uses to illustrate his description of P. schultzi was taken at Point Hudson.
Mistakenly yours,
Alex
Re: Type of gunnel or...?
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:29 pm
by Greg Jensen
Tidepool Geek wrote:Hello again,
Dusty2 wrote: Definitely a longfin gunnel. No hesitation. I see then every dive at Point Hudson.
I stand corrected. On closer examination I think the most noticeable difference (which I managed to not notice) is the head oramentation; it seems to be more elaborate on P. schultzi than on P. clemensi.
A side note: In Coastal Fishes of the Pacific Northwest the photo that Andy Lamb uses to illustrate his description of P. schultzi was taken at Point Hudson.
That's because "Dusty2" took the photo that's in Lamb's book.
Re: Type of gunnel or...?
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:00 pm
by Tom Nic
Greg Jensen wrote:Tidepool Geek wrote:A side note: In Coastal Fishes of the Pacific Northwest the photo that Andy Lamb uses to illustrate his description of P. schultzi was taken at Point Hudson.
That's because "Dusty2" took the photo that's in Lamb's book.
Re: Type of gunnel or...?
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:00 pm
by Scott G
Tidepool Geek wrote:Hi,
Your gunnel seems to be a pretty good match for the Red Gunnel Pholis schulzie which is a species not often reported. It could also, as others have mentioned, be a Longfin Gunnel but I suspect that it would take a number of additional photos, including some detailed macro shots of the back and face markings, to differentiate between the two. Penpoint & Rockweed gunnels also can be red in color but I don't think they have the patterning that is shown in your excellent photograph. If you see these regularly it might be worth talking to a professional icthyologist and arranging to provide a captured specimen.
The second picture is Cucumaria miniata AKA Orange, Red, Vermillion, or Burrowing Sea Cucumber. The one in your photo has only extended its feeding tentacles about halfway. These guys are quite common in shallow water but you'll almost never see one unless it has extended its tentacles; when they're retracted the animal is very well hidden. The best time to see them is when there is a lot of phytoplankton in the water. When you do see one take a few minutes to watch it feed; the motion of the tentacles being pushed down the animal's throat one by one (to swallow the collected food) is almost mesmerizing.
Hypnotically yours,
Alex
For cuke watchers everywhere
it is fun to watch.
Re: Type of gunnel or...?
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:36 pm
by Dusty2
Nice sequence, Scott. They are even cooler to watch on video. Pretty darn coordinated for a glorified worm!
Re: Type of gunnel or...?
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:39 pm
by Dusty2
Greg Jensen wrote:
Dusty2 wrote: Definitely a longfin gunnel. No hesitation. I see then every dive at Point Hudson.
A side note: In Coastal Fishes of the Pacific Northwest the photo that Andy Lamb uses to illustrate his description of P. schultzi was taken at Point Hudson.
That's because "Dusty2" took the photo that's in Lamb's book.[/quote]
And the one in Milton Love's also 